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Old May 1st, 2016, 09:26 PM   #1421
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Antonov An-148-100V


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Old May 1st, 2016, 09:27 PM   #1422
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A series of demonstration flights for Indian Reliance Defence Limited.


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Old May 1st, 2016, 09:47 PM   #1423
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 10:23 AM   #1424
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Good-bye Russia. India's aerospace industry chooses Ukraine
exept according to the Ukrainian-Indian agreement there will be no production of aircraft in Ukraine, lol !!!...Agreement stipulates "cooperation" in production of Antonov aircraft in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), but NOT IN UKRAINE (!) and construction of a new transport aircraft in India (again NOT in Ukraine) - in other words Ukraine will simply sell to India its intellectual rights for Antonov technology and the expertise of ukrainian(soviet) aging engeneers (whatever rights are left in their piossesion) - so the agreement is good for India but it simply means that Antonov will now become de-facto Indian aircraft producer, not even a ukrainian - and what is left for Ukraine then? - only the following :

Antonov : " Good-bye Ukraine, I immigrate to India"

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Reliance Defence has signed an agreement with three Ukrainian state-owned firms — Ukroboronprom, Spetstechno Exports and Antonov — to collaborate on a range of military products including transport aircraft, armoured vehicles, maritime gas turbines and unmanned aerial vehicles.

This follows Reliance Group chairman Anil Ambani’s meeting with the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko in Ukraine this week, where they discussed issues of strategic interest between Indian and Ukrainian Defence and Aerospace industries.

“As a follow up of the meeting, a Strategic Partnership Agreement was signed between State-owned Ukroboronprom of Ukraine and Reliance Defence, which will allow it to collaborate with Antonov for its range of military and commercial transport aircraft,” according to statement from Reliance Defence. Reliance Defence is a wholly owned subsidiary of Reliance Infrastructure Ltd., a part of the Reliance Group.

Under the agreement with Antonov, credited as the manufacturer of largest transport aircraft in the world, Reliance and Antonov will jointly bid for the Medium Military Transport Aircraft program of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Besides, both companies will also collaborate for the assembly and manufacture, and maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) of Antonov series of aircraft to address the requirements of the Indian market and agreed global markets.

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http://www.thehindu.com/business/Ind...cle8537838.ece

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Old May 3rd, 2016, 10:45 AM   #1425
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.Agreement stipulates "cooperation" in production of Antonov aircraft in India by Hindustan
After the IL-214 Fiasco I would not expect any JV new aircraft to fly this side of 2020 anyway.

That JV lasted 7 years until 2016 and nothing ever took to the air.

http://m.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/indiarussia-project-on-military-transport-aircraft-almost-frozen/article8189225.ece
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 10:48 AM   #1426
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Antonov : " Good-bye Ukraine, I immigrate to India"
Apple: 'Good Bye, America! I immigrate to China'

Welcome to the Global World! Welcome to the Global Market!
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 10:58 AM   #1427
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After the IL-214 Fiasco

That JV lasted 7 years
It was the Indo-Russian project.

Ukraine and India have a long history of successful mutual cooperation.
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 11:13 AM   #1428
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One Indo Russian project....there is another that ain't flying either.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi/HAL_FGFA
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One Indo Russian project....there is another that ain't flying either.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi/HAL_FGFA
but that is a problem for India, not for Russia...while this Indo-Ukrainian agreement will be a disaster for Ukraine in both cases - wether it will be a failure or a success - because a success in this case will mean relocation of Antonov aircraft production to India (as well as selling out ukrainian intelectual rights and technology to India) - that will mean that Ukrainian aircraft industry will stop to exist.
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 08:05 PM   #1430
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It's a wet dreams of Russian vatniks.
For example: some of the Antonov An-148s were produced in Russia but Ukraine has retained all the intellectual property rights of these aircraft. Antonov Company has joint projects in different countries for many years but it's only led to an increase in net profit of the company.

Russians feel offended by the fact that Indian aerospace industry chooses Ukraine but not Russia. Jealousy is a sign of weakness and insecurity.
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Old May 4th, 2016, 11:15 AM   #1431
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Russians feel offended by the fact that Indian aerospace industry chooses Ukraine but not Russia. Jealousy is a sign of weakness and insecurity.
Russian aircraft sales to India are much bigger then those Ukrainian attempts so hardly russians feel offended...russians probably feel offended when ukrainians try to blame all soviet sins (including their own ukrainian soviet sins) exclusively on russians thus in fact betraying a neighbour like a little boy who first played football with everybody but when a ball brokes a glass in a window he starts to point fingers on others "it is not meeeee, its all those bad boys"...

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Old May 4th, 2016, 12:22 PM   #1432
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orangutangulis, don't come up with non-sense

Antonov will design the new aircraft and will keep all of the IP rights. While Reliance Group will do the assembly work in India. That’s why it’s a joint venture. Win-win for both sides.
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Old May 4th, 2016, 09:31 PM   #1433
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Russian aircraft sales to India are much bigger then those Ukrainian attempts
I got news for you, pal

It's all in the past. The Indian Air Force is chosen France (Rafael fighters) & Ukraine (Antonov transport aircraft). India said 'Good Bye, Russia'.
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Old May 5th, 2016, 02:32 PM   #1434
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I got news for you, pal

It's all in the past. The Indian Air Force is chosen France (Rafael fighters) & Ukraine (Antonov transport aircraft). India said 'Good Bye, Russia'.
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Russia and India Report, March 2016

quote :"An official statement from India's Defence Ministry states that on Indian arms imports, Russia is, by some distance, India's biggest defence partner. Between 2012 and 2015, Moscow supplied India with military equipment worth over five billion dollars. The USA ranks second, with exports to India worth $4.4 billion.
The situation is practically the same with arms contracts. Out of India's 67 arms contracts with other countries, 18 are with Russia, 13 with USA, and six with France. This clearly indicates that claims by Western analysts that Russia is losing its market share in India, that cooperation between Delhi and Moscow is becoming less important, that the Indian army no longer needs Russian weapons, and so on, are just the latest in their series of canards.
Unsurprising surprises

On the other hand, the Indian Defence Ministry's statement, that Russian arms and military equipment manufacturers occupy the primary position in the Indian arms market, held no surprises for Russian analysts.
More than 70% of the tanks, self-propelled guns, multiple launch rocket systems, fighter aircraft, bombers, attack aircraft, airborne early warning and control aircraft, helicopters, aircraft carriers, frigates, nuclear and diesel-electric submarines, missile boats and coastal defence system equipment used by India's army, air force and navy have been made in Russia. Around 40% of the Indian army's military equipment today has been made in Russia or assembled locally under a Russian licence. That proportion rises to 80% in the air force, and 75% in the navy.
Therefore, claims that Russia is losing out in the Indian market is either a sign of incompetence or a deliberate falsehood.
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Old May 5th, 2016, 08:55 PM   #1435
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Between 2012 and 2015...
Around 40% of the Indian army's military equipment today has been made in Russia or assembled locally under a Russian licence. That proportion rises to 80% in the air force, and 75% in the navy.
I know about this but it's all in the past. Nowadays, the situation has changed dramatically. Currently, India will buy Rafale fighters but not Russian fighters.

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Indian Reliance Defence Ltd and Ukrainian state aircraft manufacturer Antonov agreed on joint construction of multipurpose transport aircraft for the needs of the military, paratroopers and also for the commercial use in India. It is about 500 planes with a total value of 5.3 billion dollars to be made during 15 years.
Reliance Defence Ltd said in a statement the firms would "jointly address various requirements, including 50-80 seat passenger aircraft in their basic configurations and in transport, maritime patrol and other military variants."
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...during the Defexpo India 2016 in Goa the country's ministry of defence along with several companies signed more than a dozen memorandums for the manufacturing of 500 transport planes as well as the supply of gas turbines for Indian warships. This took place in light of the previously frozen joint project with Russia about the development of a transport warplane Multi-role Transport Aircraft (MTA) and the rejection from the Russian side to service the ships.

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Old May 5th, 2016, 11:22 PM   #1436
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I know about this but it's all in the past. Nowadays, the situation has changed dramatically. Currently, India will buy Rafale fighters but not Russian fighters.

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one contract (of 18) lost to France? - you (as a ukrainian) ofcource want it very much for Russia to fail in India, but it is your wishfull thinking, my friend

Look, I just googled for NEWS in Indian aircraft imports- it took me 1 minute to find the following information about russian-indian contracts that have been mentioned in press since the begining of May 2016 (and today is the 5th of May ) :


first about fighters:

Indian Navy to replace Sea Harrier fighter planes with Russian MiG 29Ks

New Delhi, May 4, 2016

The Indian Navy will de-induct its Sea Harrier fighter and induct a new squadron of MiG 29K planes at a formal ceremony at its naval station in Goa on May 11.
Britain-manufactured Sea Harriers, which have been the mainstay of the Indian Navy's aerial arm since their induction in 1983 and were stationed aboard the INS Vikrant, will now be replaced by the Russian MiG 29Ks, which are all-weather carrier-based multirole fighter aircraft.
The Sea Harrier pilots are now being trained to fly the Russian MiG 29K fighter aircraft.


now about choppers:


Mumbai, May 2, 2016:
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd is set to include the participation of its 4,000-plus vendors across the country, to help execute the contract to manufacture the Russian Kamov military helicopters. More Indian companies are set to join the fray and participate in the contract, estimated to cost over $1 billion.
Russia and India had agreed to jointly produce about 200 Ka-226T helicopters to replace the Cheetah and Chetak Choppers under the Centre’s ‘Make in India’ initiative. An agreement to this effect was signed during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Moscow in December 2015.
Sources said sixty aircraft will be supplied to be assembled in India, while the remaining 140 are planned to be manufactured at Indian production facilities.



now about mainatanence:


Technodinamika Concludes $25 Million India's Russian Aircraft Maintenance Contracts

09:17 AM, May 4, 2016


After-sales service for Indian Air Force in 2015 exceeded INR 166 Crores (1.6 Billion Rubles)
Russian Technodinamika has concluded after-sales service delivery contracts worth INR 166 crores (US $25 million) with the Indian Air Force (IAF) for the current fiscal year 2016-2017.




etc.etc.etc....I can go on and on...

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one contract (of 18) lost to France?
This contract is for large sum than all Russian supplies to the Indian Army and Navy in recent years. Indian Air Force preferred the French fighters. It's a fact that can not be challenged.

Maybe you think that India will buy Rafale fighters and Russian fighters at one time? This is unrealistic because the Indian Defence budget is limited. Russia is losing the Indian market. Fact.

P.S. The first Ukrainian gas turbines have already been delivered to the Indian Navy. It's not very good news for Russia.

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Old May 6th, 2016, 12:27 AM   #1438
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P.S. The first Ukrainian gas turbines have already been delivered to the Indian Navy. It's not very good news for Russia.
so now you start it about navy (though we discuss aviation !!!!!)...shall I now give you links to russian-indian contracts for Indian navy? - be sure in this field Ukraine will look miserably too ( as compared to Russia)...I think you (as a ukrainian) do have some kind of inferiority complex when you think about Russia - you always try to compare yourself to Russia and you always find yourself in difficult situation because it is beyound doubt that Russia (with all its problems) is MUCH stronger economically, technologically, militarily and politically (as compared to Ukraine) - otherwise why did you even start to mention Russia in this Antonov thread?

P.S> International Business Times : " Russia Arms Exports Crossed $15B In 2015, Moscow Plans Similar Sales For 2016 " - and now compare that to $$$ of those ukrainian contracts and the price for French fighters contract. Russia has 25% of global arms sales, second only to USA !!!

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so now you start it about navy
OK. Russia stops selling fighter jets and transport aircraft to the Indian Air Force. The Indian Air Force is chosen France (Rafale fighters) & Ukraine (Antonov transport aircraft). Fact.

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P.S>Russia Arms Exports
We're talking about the Indian market.
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Quite funny to see how all post-URSS countries are sticking to their soviet-era officialese language and trying to translate it directly into English.

I mean this "state concern" (this starts me to worry as to what is concerning state officials).
Just as ugly as Russian "amalgamation" term dumbly used to translate "Nauchno-Promyshlennoe Ob'edinenie", or "NPO".
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