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Old April 2nd, 2013, 10:31 PM   #21
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Southwest Corner (Nr. 8):



View West, Nr. 19 Center, Moritz-Straße Nr. 11 on Right:


View West, Nr. 8 on Left, Nr. 19 Right.



View East, Moritz-Straße Nr. 11 on Left, Moritz-Straße Nr. 12 on Right:


View North from Moritz-Straße and Schiess-Gasse:
Fantastic images. Heaps of thanks for posting these, ST. The views make one feel both great joy at what was there....and the depths of sadness that the scenes are no more.

Would love it if a computer film maker would make a CGI film of a walking tour of pre 1945 Dresden. It's doable and there's plenty of material from which to create the computer graphics. In 3-D or IMAX or 360 Film technology, the film would be spectacular. Then, a bottle of wine and the movie could be a real experience.
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 10:55 PM   #22
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the street is wider and sterile, lined with characterless concrete structures that look like typical government housing one can see anywhere across the globe. The exception is the south side near Altmarkt were two row buildings have decent appearance.
So the current Wilsdruffer-Straße is actually the old König-Johann-Straße while the old Wilsdruffer Straße doesn't exist anymore? Or am I missing something?
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 01:26 AM   #23
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So the current Wilsdruffer-Straße is actually the old König-Johann-Straße while the old Wilsdruffer Straße doesn't exist anymore? Or am I missing something?
Konig Johann Strasse was the replacement street for Badergasse. KJS went from tne Alt Markt east.

Prior to and during KJS being in place, Wilsruffer Str went from the Alt Markt west.

After WWII, the entire street, both east and west of the Alt Markt became Wilsdruffer Str., and my answer to your question "what's occupying the street today?" refers to the full stretch of the street today including the former KJS and WS sections.
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The Ends

THE WEST END
BEFORE 1885:


AFTER 1901:


The 1920s: What happened?


1946:




THE EAST END
from the Pirnaischer-Platz towards the west:


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Old April 4th, 2013, 01:20 AM   #25
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the Renner building was removed to make way for the Koenig Johann Strasse and a very nice half-size corner structure put in place next to the Herman Roch building.

the corner building was removed and replaced with, for the times, a more contemporary curved corner building. Interestingly, the newest one completely crumbled in the bombings while the old ones held up.
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Wonderful thread, thanks a lot! Please keep posting historical images of this marvellous street!

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the street is wider and sterile, lined with characterless concrete structures that look like typical government housing one can see anywhere across the globe. The exception is the south side near Altmarkt were two row buildings have decent appearance.
Which conrete structures are you referring to? Most of the street was built with bricks in the 1950s (except the later Kulturpalast).

That's what Wilsdruffer Strasse (former mostly König-Johann-Strasse) is like today (Neumarkt just north of it, Altmarkt south with Kreuzkirche church):


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Fascinating study and great pictures. Do you know anything about the background of the scheme? Expropriation, compensation, was it a slum clearance etc.
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Wonderful thread, thanks a lot! Please keep posting historical images of this marvellous street!
Thanks, but I am running out of images! I was hoping someone would add something.

Here are a few:







Here, they have done Something Awful to the Türmchen on Nr. 19:

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Fascinating study and great pictures. Do you know anything about the background of the scheme? Expropriation, compensation, was it a slum clearance etc.

They were connecting Wilsdruffer-Straße with the Pirnaischer-Platz, so it was a traffic-flow-thing. If you'll go to Page 1, 5th post, you will see from the maps that the old street plan wasn't about to accomplish this.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #30
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Great thread.

There was one Renaissance building at Wilsdruffer Str. 14.

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Na dann, weiter geht es:


Wo breitete sich jene prachtvolle Giebelfassade in den Formen der Renaissance aus?
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On the Northern Side of the street there are buildings of Socialist classicism. This is a style which is worth to be preserved. You won't see such buildings at each corner in the world. But the two buildings on the southern side should be removed. Otherwise Neumarkt can't be completed.
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Great thread.

There was one Renaissance building at Wilsdruffer Str. 14.



On the Northern Side of the street there are buildings of Socialist classicism. This is a style which is worth to be preserved. You won't see such buildings at each corner in the world. But the two buildings on the southern side should be removed. Otherwise Neumarkt can't be completed.
Here she is with her friends:

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the corner building was removed and replaced with, for the times, a more contemporary curved corner building. Interestingly, the newest one completely crumbled in the bombings while the old ones held up.
By 1946, demolition work had definitely commenced. I have seen other images from this series images:

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/21016889

And in this photo, it is clear that Nr.15 - Nr. 19 (LEFT CENTER) survived the bombing as a roofless shell:



SO, we don't know if the new, circular structure collapsed as a result of the firestorm or was demolished later.

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Thanks, but I am running out of images! I was hoping someone would add something.

Here are a few:



This is a beautiful scene. It is like a scene from a legend, in another world.
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Which conrete structures are you referring to? Most of the street was built with bricks in the 1950s (except the later Kulturpalast).
You're correct. The 50s buildings along Wilsdruffer are actually brick; I was generically referring to them as concrete, mostly because all the 50s utilitarian structures--concrete or brick or stucco--look hopelessly similar, drab, and sterile.
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It is absolutely not real, that former König-Johann-Straße will ever come back. It already makes difficulties to tear down the two buildings on the southern side to complete Neumarkt reconstruction. Then Wilsdruffer Straße today is much broader than former König-Johann-Straße. Since they were building a parking garage under Altmarkt this street has to stay open for individual traffic. There is a tram line going through. That's why the former building line would be in the middle of todays street.

Socialist classicism buildings on the other side need a broad street. Those are high buildings, which can't stand on a small lane. Reconstruction of former building line on the southern side would require to tear down northern buildings, too. Those are landmarks. It's not only a building line but two blocks. Tearing down would require to tear down the whole quarter in the north of Wilsdruffer Straße. All the land is owned by a private company. There is no law, which could force landlords to rebuild historical buildings. It would violate constitutional rights of people to pass such a bill.

This will never happen.

A solution for Wilsdruffer Straße could be, to tear down the two buildings in the south. There one could built new houses right at the edge of todays carriage way. Those buildings could have arcaded sidewalks. In the east at Pirnaischer Platz one could build another shopping mall or a big department store to have an anchor tenant, who attracts people to walk from Altmarkt-Galerie through Willsdruffer Straße or Neumarkt at the eastern side of old town.
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GhostofDorian, you are correct about the placement of the old buildings:



However, something else can be done. Who wouldn't want this gem reconstructed, on Moritz-Straße next to the Hotel de Saxe and backing up to the English Hotel?:


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Options, Options

http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/hsr-variante1.html

http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/hsr-variante2.html

http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/hsr-variante3.html

I don't like any of them. I see no nothing that is better than the mess that is there now.
Perhaps continuing the style of the extension of the Landhaus would be more appropriate.



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http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/hsr-variante1.html

http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/hsr-variante2.html

http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/hsr-variante3.html

I don't like any of them. I see no nothing that is better than the mess that is there now.
Perhaps continuing the style of the extension of the Landhaus would be more appropriate.


I absolutely agree. To complete Neumarkt reconstruction those two buildings have to be torn down. Then there would be the space to reconstruct Hotel de Saxe, too.
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This version seems best, as it more closely resembles the original street plan. It allows for the Palais de Saxe, but also the Hotel Stadt Rom. That said, the aesthetic value of the new construction is less than zero:

http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/image...Moritz_02d.jpg
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The area will always have the appearance like a great big hairy wart on Beyonce's nose until they remove and rebuild, as original, the northern side of Wilsdruffer from Parnaischer Platz to at least the Kulturpalast. The south side of Wildruffer is acceptable now as long as the plans for the corner at Parnaischer platz gets the correct structure.
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