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Old January 7th, 2015, 11:47 PM   #121
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Very nice. Thanks a lot!
If I remember well (my trip from Portugal to Montserrat), in summer 2002 this section of the A2 motorway was not completed. There was the last gap between 517.km and 542.km....In the morning, it is very nice mountains countryside when you leave the lowlands round Fraga and Lleida....
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Old January 8th, 2015, 12:29 PM   #122
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Road 4,Finland

Finland implemented the first road classification scheme in 1938. In those times, almost the whole trunk road network consisted of windy and narrow rural gravel roads. The whole network was rebuilt between late 1940's and mid 1970's. Since that, the most focus has been in removing bottlenecks and making new routes.

The longest road is the road 4 running from Helsinki in the South to the far North in Utsjoki at the Norwegian border. The current length of the road is about 1300 kilometres. The alignment of the road has changed significantly at the both ends, while the middle 900 kilometres follow rather well the original route.

http://www.mattigronroos.fi/Tiet/Vt4.htm

Last summer, I made a research trip with my wife. The purpose was to find and drive as many road fragments of the original route of 1938 as possible. A number of fragments have disappeared, but an amazingly high number of fragments are still in use as public roads, streets, private roads, and forest roads. Some fragments are nowadays underwater because of hydroelectric power plants.

The trip took five days. It ended at the Russian border, and the final section in Russia is not open to the public. Our car was like a data center (a laptop, two tablets, a video camera, old and new paper and electronic maps, GPS devices, etc). I made an extensive report about the trip. Unfortunately, the text is in Finnish, but the maps, photos and videos talk a lot:

http://www.mattigronroos.fi/Tiet/Petsamo2014
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Old January 10th, 2015, 12:43 PM   #123
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Old trunk 2+2 road leading to Hungary in Bratislava. I mean leftovers.
[IMG]http://i61.************/21d07ye.png[/IMG]


Location on map:
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The solid layer is from 2014, the transparent one from 1974.
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Old January 10th, 2015, 07:40 PM   #124
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The Belgrade's urban motorway:

Before opening of the so-called bypass this motorway was used by trucks.Now it's not allowed for them to use Gazela bridge,so they can't use this road.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:16 PM   #125
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Source: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/16713695
Downtown Bela Palanka, Serbia. The photo is from 2006, but not much has changed. Here used to run the main road from Beograd and Niš towards Sofia, untill the construction of the single carriageway bypass in the 90s. The new A4 motorway is under construction, and when completed, Bela Palanka will have 2 bypasses.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:30 PM   #126
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Once A4 gets completed it's going to have 2 bypasses like Leskovac.Anyway i can only guess how downtown of Bela Palanka looked like .It was probably very bussy road for sure.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 12:59 AM   #127
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As the former trunk road we should mention the old gastarbeiter route from Germany via Austria and former Yugoslavia to the Balkan (E5) too. At that time before the beginning of Yugoslavian war in 1991.....This topic was already noted in other section (Historical photos...) however why not to
highlight this route here again.....

More details (in German language etc.):

http://www.dasbiber.at/content/m%C3%...-der-touristen

http://dastandard.at/1355459908504/B...route?_slide=1

http://www.spiegel.de/einestages/eur...-a-947660.html
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Old January 18th, 2015, 03:25 PM   #128
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https://maps.google.pl/maps?ll=51.62...37.54,,1,-1.05

Part of former DK8/E67 route in Poland (the busiest road in the country, connecting two biggest agglomerations).
It now looks weird without all the traffic - an empty 2x2 road going through a village
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Old January 18th, 2015, 03:55 PM   #129
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I find it silly how you had to drive from the Trieste bypass to Koper until 2008.

http://goo.gl/maps/6QmbH

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Old January 18th, 2015, 04:23 PM   #130
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As the former trunk road we should mention the old gastarbeiter route from Germany via Austria and former Yugoslavia to the Balkan (E5) too. At that time before the beginning of Yugoslavian war in 1991.....This topic was already noted in other section (Historical photos...) however why not to
highlight this route here again.....

More details (in German language etc.):

http://www.dasbiber.at/content/m%C3%...-der-touristen

http://dastandard.at/1355459908504/B...route?_slide=1

http://www.spiegel.de/einestages/eur...-a-947660.html
It's worth to post some pics from your links.

Road of death.




Family of foreign workers by E5.


Overloaded immigrants vehicles.


Foreign workers awaiting in the queue on a bordercrossing near Salzburg. Waiting time could take 30 hrs.


Accident on 'Gastarbeiter-route"





Most dangerous road in Europe (they probably meant Western Europe ) Warning signs in Turkish.




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Old January 18th, 2015, 05:17 PM   #131
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http://goo.gl/maps/1fbCS

Serbian Orthodox church in Ljubljana on the former main road Villach-Zagreb (until 1988), Maribor-Trieste (until 1983), and Villach-Rijeka (until 1981) (trying to get a few likes from Serbs ).

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Old January 18th, 2015, 05:20 PM   #132
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I find it silly how you had to drive from the Trieste bypass to Koper before 2008.

http://goo.gl/maps/6QmbH
Before 2008 you did this route between A4 and Rabuiese:
https://www.google.it/maps/dir/45.68...a=!4m2!4m1!3e0
Back then, also the section Padriciano - Cattinara (connection RA13-SS202, with the long Carso tunnel), was missing. This section was planned since the 1980s, but it was long delayed because they found undiscovered caves.
Before Schengen, the whole road between the motorway terminus in Padriciano and the Dragonija border crossing (SLO-HR) was an endles traffic jam during summer weekends, that spanned three different countries. I remember having done Trieste-Novigrad (around 50km) in 2 hours.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 05:26 PM   #133
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That road E5, was very dangerous and still is ,because there is a missing link in Serbia from Nis to Bulgarian border.Curently new motorway is U/C and it should be completed this year.
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Part of that road in 1987 near Sremska Mitrovica in Serbia,then known as Yugoslavia.
In 1989 i think,A3 was constructed and those crashes were gone.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #135
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Part of former DK8/E67 route in Poland (the busiest road in the country, connecting two biggest agglomerations).
It now looks weird without all the traffic - an empty 2x2 road going through a village
Yes, it is weird. It is the fate of those former trunk roads. It depends. If a new road is just the bypass of town/village or there are two parallel options. The new motorway and old road for more kilometres. At least some sections of the ex-DK8 (E67) could be the road 98, not only local street. There might be some narrowing adjustment of the old road in villages (with additional parking, more trees, bicycle lines etc.). It depends if there are some restrictions for lorries etc. As S8 is toll-road for them. However the old parallel road keeps usually its important function. For local traffic + backup route for motorway.....as the emergency option to divert the traffic.
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http://goo.gl/maps/uHG54

Guest house "Russian Tsar" from 1821 in Ljubljana on the main road Ljubljana-Maribor (until 1981).
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Old January 18th, 2015, 06:29 PM   #137
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That road E5, was very dangerous and still is ,because there is a missing link in Serbia from Nis to Bulgarian border.Curently new motorway is U/C and it should be completed this year.
You are right. What is the current situation regarding ex-E5 in ex-Yugoslavia:

1/Šentilj - Pesnica: new toll-motorway A1.sl, former road No.10.yu, nowadays 437.sl (who is avoiding tolled motorway), parallel with the railway,
2/Pesnica - Maribor: toll-motorways A1 or H2, former road No.10.yu, nowadays only local road to Maribor
3/Maribor - Miklavž - Ptuj: new toll-motorway A4.sl, former road No.3.yu, it way the road No.1.sl
4/Ptuj - border crossing SLO-HR Gruškovlje/Macejl - still missing motorway, nowadays the national road No.9 (11/12.yu)
5/Macelj - Durmanec - Krapina - new toll-motorway A2.hr, former road 11/12.yu, national road (državna cesta) D1
6/Krapina - Zabok - new toll-motorway A2.hr (I do not now if there is parallel former trunk road)
7)Zabok - Zagreb/Zaprešič - new toll-motorway A2.hr, former road 11/12.yu, nowadays D1.hr
8)Zagreb-bypass - part of Autoput Bratstvo i jedinstvo, road No.1.yu, nowadays (no toll) motorway A3
9)Zagreb - Slavonski Brod - border crossing HR-SR Bajakovo/Batrovci - toll-motorway A3, former Autoput Bratstvo i jedinstvo, road No.1.yu
10)Batrovci - Sremska Mitrovica - Beograd - toll-motorway No.1 (E70), former Autoput Bratstvo i jedinstvo, road No.1.yu,
11)Beograd - nowadays is there new southern-bypass road
12)Beograd - Nis - toll-motorway No.1 (E75), former Autoput Bratstvo i jedinstvo, road No.1.yu, without any parallel road.

And there are two options from Nis:
a)via Macedonia - former former Autoput Bratstvo i jedinstvo, road No.1.yu, to border crossing Gevgelija (Bogorojca) to Greece (E75) or
b)to Bulgaria: Nis - Pirot - Dimitrovgrad (E80), former 1h.yu, first new section was the bypass of Nis...It is going to be replaced by motorway too.
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In Serbia we have " A " signs .
A1:Horgos(SRB-HU)-Presevo (SRB-FYROM)
A2:Belgrade-Cacak
A3:Batrovci(CRO-SRB)-Belgrade
A4:Nis-Gradina(SRB-BG)
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http://goo.gl/maps/VWzCA

My relative lives in that old "Greek" mansion in the centre of Lendava on the old road to Hungary (until 1999).

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In Serbia we have " A " signs .
A1:Horgos(SRB-HU)-Presevo (SRB-FYROM)
A2:Belgrade-Cacak
A3:Batrovci(CRO-SRB)-Belgrade
A4:Nis-Gradina(SRB-BG)
Hvala! I was not sure. In Serbia, I noted E-signs and partial old yu numbering, like 22 for route to Horgos. However the number one for the corridor E75 Horgos-Novi Sad-Beograd-Nis-Presevo is fully and nowadays all right. I tried to summarize the current status of the Gastarbeterroute E5 behind Spielfeld because the links had been focused on Austrian section.....
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