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Old January 18th, 2015, 07:43 PM   #141
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Some signs still need to be replaced,but everything is doing fine.Anyway A1 section from Nis to FYROM border is getting more and more popular because you have more motorways E75 + E90.A4 (E80) still has a lot of traffic ,but i really hope that number will go down.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 07:55 PM   #142
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My relative lives in that old "Greek" mansion in the centre of Lendava on the old road to Hungary (until 1999).
Well, it is still important route for tourist coming for their holiday at Adriatic Sea and who do not want to purchase the label for motorways in Slovenia. We are talking about short section in eastern Slovenia - between Rédics (HU) and Mursko Središče (HR). There is bypass of Lendava - A5+H7. As there is no toll gate - it is free for lorries and coaches however - it is weird cars need the label. At first roundabout behind Hungarian border you have to leave H7 road and use the former trunk road in Prekmurje - via Dolga Vas and Lendava.
In Lendava there were two options: Mursko Središče (and Čakovec) or the local border crossing in Pince and Letenye/Goričan border crossing. However since 1st January 2015 cars need Hungarian motorway label on M70 motorway too. So without label you need to pass spa-town Lendava or keep the E65-route: Szombathely - Zalaegerszeg - Nagykanisza - Letenye/Goričan. Or to use the local road Lenti-Letenye anyway.
The significant advantage is that there are no fix controls in Dolga Vas and no more customs control in Mursko Središče. In the past the double-check was the bottleneck.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 08:07 PM   #143
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The old Spiegel article is worth reading, the language is so fun "brakes are extras!"
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Old January 18th, 2015, 08:15 PM   #144
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Some signs still need to be replaced,but everything is doing fine.Anyway A1 section from Nis to FYROM border is getting more and more popular because you have more motorways E75 + E90.A4 (E80) still has a lot of traffic ,but i really hope that number will go down.
That the fact. Almost all people who are travelling from Central Europe to Greece choose the option via FYROM nowadays......It is the shortest option. However it was not so in the past. For more reason. Yes, former Titov autoput has been up-grading for regular motorway, no more visas for Macedonia, the motorway in Macedonia is definitely not so bad and so expensive and you see there was bad reputation of Presevo+Bujanovac valley region at the Kosovar border etc.....There is no motorway in Bulgaria (Sofia - Blagoevgrad - Greek border) comparing with Vardar valley. The E80-route (Dimitrovgrad/Kalotina) remains the best option to Istanbul or for holiday makers at Black Sea in Burgas.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 08:27 PM   #145
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The old Spiegel article is worth reading, the language is so fun "brakes are extras!"
Well, I am happy to hear that. The current summer rush hours at motorway border crossing in Horgos is almost no adventure....The fact is that the route (100% motorway) Wien - Budapest - Horgos - Beograd is the up-dated Gastarbeiterroute. Or - at least - one of the option which was originally hidden behind the iron curtain.

Yes, it was the adventure to pass the Alps that time, avalanche of various cars, almost no motorways, no Schengen, lack of infrastructure (motorway rest stations etc.)......
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Old January 18th, 2015, 08:57 PM   #146
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In the 80's and 70's all gasterbeiters from Turkey and Greece who worker in Germany,Italy,France...
Were going thru today's Slovenia,Croatia and Serbia,because Hungary didn't had proper roads(motorways) as Yugoslavia.
This is on of the routes:https://www.google.rs/maps/dir/46.99...,20.0779974,7z
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Old January 18th, 2015, 09:01 PM   #147
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Lendava - old road:

from Hungary to Croatia: night drive (to follow all of those GPS suggestions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4869cjH4r0M

from Croatia to Hungary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMnDp5m3qHE
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Old January 18th, 2015, 09:14 PM   #148
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[QUOTE=Autoputevi kao hobi;120738212]In the 80's and 70's all gasterbeiters from Turkey and Greece who worker in Germany,Italy,France...
Were going thru today's Slovenia,Croatia and Serbia,because Hungary didn't had proper roads(motorways) as Yugoslavia.

Yes, and nowadays e-matrica in Hungary is also cheaper than all charges in Slovenia+Croatia.....
a)Hungary behind iron curtain (visas, borders etc.)
b)almost now motorways in Hungary - only part of M1, M5 was missing, no M0-bypass road in Budapest
c)almost missing motorway between Vienna and Hungarian border in Nickelsdorf (only national road No.10.at), no A21+S1 round Vienna
d)missing motorway connection Regensburg - Passau - Linz
e)no borders inside former Federal Yugoslavia (Macelj, Bajakovo, Bregana etc.)
f)missing motorway between Novi Sad and Horgos.
f)autoput was certainly no miracle of the infrastructure however it was not bad level 30-40 years ago....
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Old January 18th, 2015, 10:37 PM   #149
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I can't understand why Google Maps suggests those non-sense routes as 2nd option. Graz-Belgrade via Budapest? 200km longer?
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Old January 18th, 2015, 10:48 PM   #150
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Old road Ljubljana-Koper by Črni Kal (until 2004):

http://goo.gl/maps/BHPAU
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Old January 18th, 2015, 11:08 PM   #151
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http://goo.gl/maps/7rJ1h

Old road Slovenska Bistrica-Ptuj (also Ljubljana-Budapest) in Pragersko (until 2004). It's unfortunately situated on a railway station, so when a freight train comes, you can wait up to half an hour (unsurprisingly, Google Street View as well). Also, the road crosses 4 rails.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 03:04 AM   #152
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I can't understand why Google Maps suggests those non-sense routes as 2nd option. Graz-Belgrade via Budapest? 200km longer?
Because that's Google.They found 3 digit number motorway in Austria.That road is a single carriageway.
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Ljubljana-Maribor:


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/57578527

The motorway was built in 2002, while the 3-lane middle viaduct was built in early 1990s or in 1980s, I'm not sure. In any case, early enough that I don't remember driving on the road on the ground.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #154
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Is that 3-lane middle viaduct in use?
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Of course.

http://goo.gl/maps/O3lMQ
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Old January 20th, 2015, 12:10 AM   #156
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Was that road supposed to be A1?
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No, it just eliminated this curve.

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http://goo.gl/maps/gx03C

Old road Ljubljana-Kranj (until 1985). A part of it still has the original concrete pavement from 1938. This was the first modern road in Yugoslavia. It was financed by Croatia.
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Old road Ljubljana-Kranj (until 1985). A part of it still has the original concrete pavement from 1938. This was the first modern road in Yugoslavia. It was financed by Croatia.
Yes, it is the former Yugoslavian road no.1 and the shortest connection between Ljubljana and Kranj. Not bad road and nice countryside. In the past you could avoid the toll gate in Vodice at A2 motorway. So in the past it was the non-toll option if you come to LJ from Krajská Gora, Bled, Jezersko or Ljubelj. With the opportunity to visit historical town Škofja Loka. That time the direct connection between A2 and LJ-bypass H3 was missing, so you had to pass this old Celovska road in LJ anyway. I remember long straight between Kranj and Medvode upon Sava river.
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It's still the main toll-free alternative. The motorway isn't as short as this road because it had to avoid Kranj and Medvode (and it serves the Ljubljana airport). Anyway, when you reach Ljubljana, you might be surprised at pine trees on the left.
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