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Old February 1st, 2014, 12:26 AM   #61
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Yes, your right that brick gothic is very northern german, but you can find this stiles even in Cologne and other german cities. Berlin in this case is a north german city too. That brick expressionism is more often in northern germany, but you essetially find it all over the country. Its not bound to hanseatic cities
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Old February 1st, 2014, 12:35 AM   #62
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And if you are interested.. here are some more links to never build designs for Berlin:


http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli.../640/43492.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli.../640/43497.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli.../640/43496.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/8966.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/8968.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/8973.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/9019.jpg


http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli.../640/42532.jpg


http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/8983.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/9021.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/8994.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/9008.jpg


http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/9017.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/9011.jpg


http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/2809.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/2808.jpg


http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...640/9284,1.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/9356.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/9292.jpg

http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/9272.jpg


http://architekturmuseum.ub.tu-berli...r/640/8993.jpg
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Old February 4th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #63
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HISTORICAL EXAMPLES

As to the Topic of a german aesthetic to highrises, although the Topic is off the official Topic of this thread, the below pics show more early modern examples.
Personally, I´m not sure if I´m able to exstract the unique "germanness" to any of this, but maybe Tolbert or someone else can help me.

Düsseldorf:

Cologne:

Berlin:
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Old February 5th, 2014, 07:06 PM   #64
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Duseldorf and Berlin - great!
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Old February 7th, 2014, 11:23 AM   #65
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A rather exotic design.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 04:13 PM   #66
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I think the expressionist and especially Brick expressionist style in highrise building is essentially German. Most of our early highrises are built in this style, contrary to modern-minimalist, Beaux Arts or Art Deco styles of most other countries. Also most of the designs posted by Tolbert are Brick expressionist, esp. if you take a look at the details. The 50s Lange Strasse buildings in Rostock are an interesting mix of German brick expressionism and Gothic.

Architects like Hans Kollhoff
are reviving this to some degree. And I'd love to see his designs around Alex, for sure - similar to Main Plaza.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 05:02 PM   #67
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Honestly I find it a pity they chose for Gehry. Comparing to the Beekman Tower in NYC, he really messed up on this design. It's like designing a single building to make it look like 3 buildings, it looks heavy, bad-proportioned and chaotic.

This one would be a much better choice for this site:
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Old February 7th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #68
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I guess one Problem could be that it Looks more like an Office building, whereas the Hines Project was conceied of as a residential Project.

Maybe the proposal (or an adapted Version of it) can be used for another site around Alex (or somewhere else in Berlin) if enough People open their eyes for it.

If we have real luck, we could maybe see it as the Alexa Office Tower.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 05:42 PM   #69
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I find the Chipperfield tower stale and forgettable...the whole Alexanderplatz area is.
With it's quirkyness the Gehry Tower brings some life to the area. And you will keep it in mind, what I think, is really important for Berlin. In the last years hardly any interesting landmark was added to the cityscape. Just one boring box after the other. It's time Berlin claims it's crown for the best architecture mix in Europe back. Yes, the Gehry Tower might not be the best suited for this job (as it's no masterpiece), but it could be a silver lining.
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Old February 8th, 2014, 04:23 PM   #70
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I find the Chipperfield tower stale and forgettable...the whole Alexanderplatz area is.
With it's quirkyness the Gehry Tower brings some life to the area. And you will keep it in mind, what I think, is really important for Berlin. In the last years hardly any interesting landmark was added to the cityscape. Just one boring box after the other. It's time Berlin claims it's crown for the best architecture mix in Europe back. Yes, the Gehry Tower might not be the best suited for this job (as it's no masterpiece), but it could be a silver lining.
I disagree that the Chipperfield proposal is stale and forgettable. It has many positives in my eyes: The animating colour of the bricks, the surprising Twist (surprising given the Towers otherwise traditionalist aesthetic), the clean vertical lines, the solidity and the Tradition bound quality.

True, I disagreed with Tolbert when it came to what I first understood as his favouring of a pure retro-modernism based on nostalgia for the only vaguely outlined, once-to-come urbanity of pre-war Germany (apparently with few uniquely german elements).

However, I have cought sympathy for the idea of furthering traditional german building styles, techniques and expressions within a contemporary architectural paradigm. In fact, I find that rightout exciting.

When it Comes to Alex, I think one can´t save it by trying to turn it into something it isn´t. For that, it´s too big and its street layout and existing building mass give too many limitations. I think one can only save it by trying to turn WHAT IT IS (square, cold, chaotic and impersonal) somehow more attractive / fascinating than at present. For that purpose, I found the Cipperfield proposal a very good example.
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Old February 17th, 2014, 04:59 PM   #71
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True, I disagreed with Tolbert when it came to what I first understood as his favouring of a pure retro-modernism based on nostalgia for the only vaguely outlined, once-to-come urbanity of pre-war Germany (apparently with few uniquely german elements).

However, I have cought sympathy for the idea of furthering traditional german building styles, techniques and expressions within a contemporary architectural paradigm. In fact, I find that rightout exciting.
Thank you very much. That was exactely what i intended with my posts
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Old February 27th, 2014, 03:03 PM   #72
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I like this tower, it's sort of a Berlin version of Gehry's Beekman in New York, but in gold instead of silver, and with fewer of the undulations that give Beekman its special look. My main concern is that it really needs to have one more "block" of about 10 floors to have a major impact on the skyline
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The Chipperfield design would fit Berlin best.
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Old June 10th, 2014, 11:22 PM   #74
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Gehry’s Berlin Skyscraper May Be Too Heavy for Alexanderplatz



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After winning the design competition for Germany‘s tallest apartment tower in January, Frank Gehry‘s project for the building on Alexanderplatz has already run into problems over fears that the 150-metre building could be too heavy for its site. The German edition of the Local is reporting that Berlin‘s Senate has placed the plans on hold because of the building’s proximity to the U5 branch of the U-Bahn tunnel, which it fears could be crushed under the weight.

Berlin’s transport authority BVG is also worried about the construction of the building, asking for clarification on whether they could run trains through the tunnel during construction.

Developer Hines Property Group has responded by commissioning a survey of the area to establish what effect the building will have on its site in Alexanderplatz, and on the U5 Tunnel.

However, despite this unexpected setback, Hines remains confident that the scheme will go ahead as planned, saying that they are “heading in the right direction and are confident that a decision will be made soon.”
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Seems like they (BVG and Hines) made an agreement, so the project can go on soon.

Hines doesnt want to change the plans by the way. They keep gehry-draft.
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Seems like they (BVG and Hines) made an agreement, so the project can go on soon.

Hines doesnt want to change the plans by the way. They keep gehry-draft.
Any news?
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Still the same news.
They allegedly found a solution for the problem and the start of construction is near.
But those are the same news as half a year ago.
We will see ...
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