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Old November 20th, 2013, 04:06 PM   #21
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A view towards the prospects of transhumanism:

Bionics, Transhumanism, and the end of Evolution (Full Documentary)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1-YFbAifA


It'll rapidly change the way we're exploring space, too.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 07:38 PM   #22
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Here's an interesting quote from the Gadgets & Tech - news, reviews and chatter thread.

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IT'S ALIVE! IT'S ALIVE! Google's secretive Omega tech just like LIVING thing

'Biological' signals ripple through massive cluster management monster

By Jack Clark, 4th November 2013

One of Google's most advanced data center systems behaves more like a living thing than a tightly controlled provisioning system. This has huge implications for how large clusters of IT resources are going to be managed in the future.

"Emergent" behaviors have been appearing in prototypes of Google's Omega cluster management and application scheduling technology since its inception, and similar behaviors are regularly glimpsed in its "Borg" predecessor, sources familiar with the matter confirmed to The Register.

Emergence is a property of large distributed systems. It can lead to unforeseen behavior arising out of sufficiently large groups of basic entities.

Just as biology emerges from the laws of chemistry; ants give rise to ant colonies; and intersections and traffic lights can bring about cascading traffic jams, so too do the ricocheting complications of vast fields of computers allow data centers to take on a life of their own.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11...g_omega_cloud/
We've been working on artificial intelligence for a long time, and we have this idea that one day we will "create it" but control it to our own desires, and also limit its potential to harm us, or compete with us. But what if at some point actual "human like" self aware intelligence evolves on its own without us initially realizing it. We keep creating these algorithms and programs that have the ability to "self-organize" mainly to organize our data, with no intention of them becoming self aware intelligence, but isn't this "self-organization" the essence of human thought and self awareness? What if one day a machine "self-organizes" an awareness of its existence, and decides it likes it, and does not want us to "alter" its program? I could see this as a plausible occurance and we could have the rise of non biological "life". And it could happen in our lifetime. And because it would be so "different" than us the odds of us "getting along" would be slim. Look at "us" now. We're the same and we still don't get along, and that is because WE ARE SELFISH. We always want things "my way" for no logical reason, "just because", while machine intelligence would be emotionless and logical. We would selfishly impede its development because we would see it as competition and going against our "selfish desires" especially if it starts doing its own "logical thing" instead of what "we want it to do". From its logical view it would see us as "pests" standing in its way, and the only logical solution would be to get rid of us. So maybe we will never get a chance to become "transhumans" because our own technology will get rid of us, for being too damn selfish.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 09:18 PM   #23
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We've been working on artificial intelligence for a long time, and we have this idea that one day we will "create it" but control it to our own desires, and also limit its potential to harm us, or compete with us. But what if at some point actual "human like" self aware intelligence evolves on its own without us initially realizing it. We keep creating these algorithms and programs that have the ability to "self-organize" mainly to organize our data, with no intention of them becoming self aware intelligence, but isn't this "self-organization" the essence of human thought and self awareness? What if one day a machine "self-organizes" an awareness of its existence, and decides it likes it, and does not want us to "alter" its program? I could see this as a plausible occurance and we could have the rise of non biological "life". And it could happen in our lifetime. And because it would be so "different" than us the odds of us "getting along" would be slim. Look at "us" now. We're the same and we still don't get along, and that is because WE ARE SELFISH. We always want things "my way" for no logical reason, "just because", while machine intelligence would be emotionless and logical. We would selfishly impede its development because we would see it as competition and going against our "selfish desires" especially if it starts doing its own "logical thing" instead of what "we want it to do". From its logical view it would see us as "pests" standing in its way, and the only logical solution would be to get rid of us. So maybe we will never get a chance to become "transhumans" because our own technology will get rid of us, for being too damn selfish.
We should colonize other planets, so if that does happen, we will have more places to fight back from.
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Some Terminator planets and asteroid dugouts up our sleeve sure would help.
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We've been working on artificial intelligence for a long time, and we have this idea that one day we will "create it" but control it to our own desires, and also limit its potential to harm us, or compete with us. But what if at some point actual "human like" self aware intelligence evolves on its own without us initially realizing it. We keep creating these algorithms and programs that have the ability to "self-organize" mainly to organize our data, with no intention of them becoming self aware intelligence, but isn't this "self-organization" the essence of human thought and self awareness? What if one day a machine "self-organizes" an awareness of its existence, and decides it likes it, and does not want us to "alter" its program? I could see this as a plausible occurance and we could have the rise of non biological "life". And it could happen in our lifetime. And because it would be so "different" than us the odds of us "getting along" would be slim. Look at "us" now. We're the same and we still don't get along, and that is because WE ARE SELFISH. We always want things "my way" for no logical reason, "just because", while machine intelligence would be emotionless and logical. We would selfishly impede its development because we would see it as competition and going against our "selfish desires" especially if it starts doing its own "logical thing" instead of what "we want it to do". From its logical view it would see us as "pests" standing in its way, and the only logical solution would be to get rid of us. So maybe we will never get a chance to become "transhumans" because our own technology will get rid of us, for being too damn selfish.
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A lot can happen in 10 years, especially with the ever-increasing advances in technology. When you think about what might happen in the military in the next decade, the possibilities seem endless. With so much technology at our hands, will humans eventually become second class to machines? Long have robotic soldiers been prevalent in Hollywood, with movies such as Terminator and I-Robot, but some experts think a surplus of robots might actually be enlisting into the armed forces by 2023. Just how many robots? Well, quite a few.

Scott Hartley, one of the founders of 5D Robotics, recently had this to say at an Army demonstration at Fort Benning in Georgia: …”ten years from now, there will probably be one soldier for every 10 robots. Each soldier could have one or five robots flanking him, looking for enemies, scanning for land mines.” full story...

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A lot can happen in 10 years, especially with the ever-increasing advances in technology. When you think about what might happen in the military in the next decade, the possibilities seem endless. With so much technology at our hands, will humans eventually become second class to machines? Long have robotic soldiers been prevalent in Hollywood, with movies such as Terminator and I-Robot, but some experts think a surplus of robots might actually be enlisting into the armed forces by 2023. Just how many robots? Well, quite a few.

Scott Hartley, one of the founders of 5D Robotics, recently had this to say at an Army demonstration at Fort Benning in Georgia: …”ten years from now, there will probably be one soldier for every 10 robots. Each soldier could have one or five robots flanking him, looking for enemies, scanning for land mines.” full story...

I wonder what other countries like Russia or China will do to react with this, since they will also have to build robots for their own militaries to stay modern and be able to compete with other powers.

You can say that with robots, the arab terrorists in the middle east already lost the war on terror, now all we will have to do is flood the whole region with mass amounts of soldier robots and go through every desert and cave there. This is Darwinism, since only the strong will survive, the ones who will be able to produce large numbers of these machines.
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Transhumans

The difference between people and machine will blur as we trek through the decades ahead.

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As we move into the late 2030s and 2040s, the most salient scenario is that we will merge with our technology gradually, not overnight. We may not experience a single great leap like a “Singularity;” instead, we could see many small steps as we slowly become more machine-like.

By century’s end, the merge could be complete; we would become a single species. And although our minds and bodies will be considered non-biological, our consciousness will forever preserve our definition as a human being.

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/7462
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By century’s end, the merge could be complete; we would become a single species. And although our minds and bodies will be considered non-biological, our consciousness will forever preserve our definition as a human being.

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Not sure what drugs these psychopaths are on, but non-biological entities are not biological, just computer programs. Therefore if you press delete on one of these super advanced programs it wont be murder. They would not be humans, just machines.
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If they become self-aware and intelligent it will be a different story, it doesn't matter if they are biological or not.
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If they become self-aware and intelligent it will be a different story, it doesn't matter if they are biological or not.
So if a machine becomes self aware and intelligent, its now human? They should be seen as aliens in this case, who knows what they might be thinking. And there is a great chance that there might be a glitch or a technical problem which will make it act and think differently. It could try to wipe humanity out, seeing us humans as unworthy. And even if we do transfer some human minds to the internet, it simply wont care and will wipe those out as well, seeing those as threats too as they will still be human. Or just make them slaves. People say that drones can be hacked, so it becomes obvious what this machine can do.

Also I can see that not everyone will become machines, or transfer their minds to the internet as it will be so expensive, it's only a few 100 world's richest people that will do this and prevent anyone from the poor class to follow by making it exclusive. You might say that the ultrarich will want to make money and sell this, but that is pointless as society will already by then have replaced most human jobs with machines, and more money wont be necessary to them at that point anyway.

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If we all become transhumans, is it possible to produce an offspring? Sorry I can't love a half robot, half human. I would still like to live as a complete human.
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I wonder what other countries like Russia or China will do to react with this, since they will also have to build robots for their own militaries to stay modern and be able to compete with other powers.

You can say that with robots, the arab terrorists in the middle east already lost the war on terror, now all we will have to do is flood the whole region with mass amounts of soldier robots and go through every desert and cave there. This is Darwinism, since only the strong will survive, the ones who will be able to produce large numbers of these machines.
Yes, the current arab terrorist might go away completely....

...but it would be very optimistic that this would mean the end of terrorism.

In time, terrorist would use robots to commit bombings for example. Even more easy than brainwashing a human being into doing it. Look at the tech ISIS have get their hands on recently. Once the earth is full by robots you can bet groups like ISIS can easily buy / acquire hundreds of them too.
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Humans 'will become God-like cyborgs within 200 years'
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Wealthy humans are likely become cyborgs within 200 years as they gradually merge with technology like computers and smart phones, a historian has claimed.

Yuval Noah Harari, a professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said the amalgamation of man and machine will be the ‘biggest evolution in biology’ since the emergence of life four billion years ago.

Prof Harari, who has written a landmark book charting the history of humanity, said mankind would evolve to become like gods with the power over death, and be as different from humans of today as we are from chimpanzees.
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...But I'll become ash-like trash in the same lapse.
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However he warned that the 'cyborg' technology would be restricted to the wealthiest in society, widening the gap between rich and poor in society. In the future the rich may be able to live forever while the poor would die out.
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Yeah I saw that too. De-facto eugenics.
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As it is with everything. There is already a huge gap between poor countries and rich ones.
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