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Old April 16th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #21
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15 mil. $ per year is paid by the national budget for renovations works in Krakow, no other city in Poland have that priviledge.
No other city in Poland have precious historical architectural heritage (castle, churches, 2000 historical buildings...) like Krakow. Krakow is the poland history showcase
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Old April 16th, 2013, 02:33 PM   #22
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don't exaggerate, I love Kraków , I live here but Kraków is not the only city in Poland which has precious historical architectural heritage , what about Gdańsk, Wrocław, Poznań, Rzeszów, Warsaw etc and hundrets of small towns. So that grant is a great honor I think !
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Old April 16th, 2013, 03:13 PM   #23
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Lublin is as well historical, do they also renovate a lot there?


On the other hand, this is a Krakow-thread, so I should ask my question somewhere else...
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Lublin has undergone the huge renovation like all cities in Poland, You and Your parents know Poland quite well so you know how beatiful it is.
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Lublin has undergone the huge renovation like all cities in Poland, You and Your parents know Poland quite well so you know how beatiful it is.
Of course Lublin is really a pearl, though I have never been in Lublin (only seen photos). But are there any renovations in Lublin right now? I mean, did they renovate all of Lublins historical building or?
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Old April 16th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #26
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off you go to Lublin/Warsaw/Wroclaw/Gdansk threads !

If there is something to show make a new topic about those cities

I will post more pics of Krakow in the evening
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Old April 16th, 2013, 07:38 PM   #27
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don't exaggerate, I love Kraków , I live here but Kraków is not the only city in Poland which has precious historical architectural heritage , what about Gdańsk, Wrocław, Poznań, Rzeszów, Warsaw etc and hundrets of small towns. So that grant is a great honor I think !
Maybe reconstructed, repaired and newly builted historical architectural heritage. Only Krakow have almost 100% real old big historical center with a spirit of old times. All we strangers and UNESCO know about real very big historical value of buildings 200-300-400-500 years old in Krakow. This is not same like buildings in Warsaw and Gdańsk 5-10-15-20 years old. Those building are pretty and new and it is not same like valuable old buildings. In one hand we have cities like Paris, Rome, Prague, Krakow and in other hand we have cities like Warsaw, Gdańsk, Dresden.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #28
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In one hand we have cities like Paris, Rome, Prague, Krakow and in other hand we have cities like Warsaw, Gdańsk, Dresden.
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Moscow didn't have anything to do with it though and Polish economy was indeed in very bad state in the '80 the decade of stagnation but poor condition of facades have probably more to do with development of polluting heavy industry that turned them grey and even black.
With Moscow I mean the ideaology, where there is no room for cultural heritage like castels, churches, etc because of the baby eating bourgoise thing The main reason for the poor condition of residential buildings (shown in the pics) was the economic situaton. Correct me of I'm wrong tho
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Old April 16th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #31
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Propaganda about communism Poor condition of facades have nothing with communism. In whole Europe facades were in poor condition. In last 10-20 years is trend to painting facades in Europe. Take a look on prewar and 1960/70/80 pictures of Europe, facades were terrible and gray everywhere in London, Paris, Rome, Vienna, Krakow... Communist more reconstructed Warsaw, Gdańsk than post Noncommunist because selfishness of people in capitalism system. In last decades is trend in perfectionism. People do plastic and reconstructive surgery, take diets, go in electric bath, sunbed and painting buildings and houses. That trend came from west and late in East. And that trend is stronger on west because more money.

Horloge de la Conciergerie in Paris from 1370

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GRAY AND DIRTY FACADES PREWAR NONCUMMUNIST KRAKOW LIKE IN HOLE EUROPE

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Almost 90% of historical architectural heritage in Warsaw, Gdańsk... is communism job. Today poles only color paint that buildings.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 01:19 AM   #32
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ok, new page means more pics

Westerplatte street

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Dluga street

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Wielopole street

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Stolarska street

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Sienna street

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Studencka street

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Matejki square

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after (it was in similar condition like the one on the right)





Czartoryski Museum (the one with this beauty )



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Academy of Fine Arts

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and some bonus ... a little one, nice view with a renovation works going on



and a bigger one, renovations in Wawel Castle Cathedral, centuries old, this chapel - one of many there- is from 1663








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Old April 17th, 2013, 07:44 AM   #33
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It is wonderful to see this glorious city restored to its true beauty. What an exciting time to live.

Some day I will visit and there will be even more restored buildings and streets. The people of Krakow have done so much that is good here. I am looking forward especially to seeing the magnificent churches.
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Many polish cities have beautiful historic
Centers
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Not the case in Poland, despite communism, Gdańsk (Danzig), Warsaw, Wrocław (Breslau) and many other cities were rebuilt, reconstructions in Poland were really well done so when you look at these buildings you wonder if its reconstruction. Note that Danzig and Breslau were not even Polish cities before WW2, and Warsaw's Old town is now on UNESCO list. Ideology has nth to do here, Polish economy was in horrible state in 80's, actually it led to the fall of communism.
Yes you are right, I think, about Poland. The communist government did restore much of the destroyed heritage but eventually ran out of money. (Regretably they chose not to rebuild the 19th c part of central Warsaw which had been so beautiful before WW2) They did not, however, destroy hundeds of wonderful old buildings in the way that the East German government did. In East Germany, poliltical ideology ruled the day and a great many important structures, damaged in WW2 but quite restorable were demolished purely for political reasons - The Berlin Royal Palace is a typical example. Luckily for Poland the same obsession did not apply. Krakow is looking even better now!
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Old April 18th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #36
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some more for you guys

Mikołajska street

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Blich street

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after (renovation is still ongoing and will be finished in the summer)

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Lubomirskiego street

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Radziwiłłowska street

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Wąska street

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It is so encouraging to see all of this. It gives me hope.

There is so much bad news right now - but this is good news. It is so good to see beauty and respect for a city that everyone can enjoy.
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These renovations are wonderful. Krakow is a tribute to the Polish people and a showcase on how to do things right and preserve the jewel that the historical center represents. I hope the work continues and picks up speed. I am truly enjoying this thread. Thanks.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 04:41 AM   #39
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It is so encouraging to see all of this.
If I remember good you wrote something about our churches I think you would like this

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and we are already preparing to renovate the Altarpiece of Veit Stoss from XV century.



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There is so much bad news right now.
Hope people of the city of Boston will recover soon from this tragedy ...
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If I remember good you wrote something about our churches I think you would like this

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and we are already preparing to renovate the Altarpiece of Veit Stoss from XV century.

Very beautiful. I used google translation to read it. Thanks. The altars are magnificent.


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Hope people of the city of Boston will recover soon from this tragedy ...
We will. It will take time, but we will.

Thanks for the kind words. Greetings from Boston.
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