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Old September 9th, 2016, 05:51 AM   #221
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Demolition will start in late 2017 or early 2018 according to Curbed
Omg, why one whole year later? Isn't it obsolete now that the Calatrava hub is opened?
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Old September 9th, 2016, 06:37 AM   #222
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I doubt that timeline is correct, I read the Curbed article and it actually states:

http://ny.curbed.com/2016/9/8/128348...ruction-update
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Groundbreaking is scheduled for 2018 and opening should happen in early 2020
Besides, demo of the temporary station has already started so i'm sure we can expect this one to break ground no later than 2018.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 07:57 AM   #223
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Honestly the marble during the day (at least in the rendering) makes this look a bit too brutalist in my opinion. Hopefully the combination of glass and marble will give it a splendid sheen that will make seem a bit more neo-modern or neo-futurist. That being said, as a theater person this could be one of the coolest performing spaces to work at.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 09:03 PM   #224
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There could be some underground work related to the VSC that needs finishing before the PAC can start. A 2018 starts seems plausible.

Nothing at the WTC is easy. But I like the new design. I can't wait to see it start, whenever that may be.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 09:10 PM   #225
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I would understand underground work, but they were saying the demolition of the old vsc would only just start in 2018.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 09:30 PM   #226
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I made a gif from the video to highlight the glossiness that this will have (check out the reflection)

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Old September 9th, 2016, 11:22 PM   #227
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It's going to be truly amazing. Mies van der Rohe used onyx stone for the interior of the Barcelona Pavilion, remarkable material, it looks like a nice painting, of course, I am still not sure if that's the material used on the exterior, but it might look amazing, eccentric and futuristic although I've never seen it used in exteriors, in person it looks like there's magma beneath the stone (well it looked like that to me), or electricity, not sure what's the right way to explain it, but it leaves a huge impression. Spectacular and extravagant material.
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Old September 9th, 2016, 11:29 PM   #228
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The more I look at the renders, the more I love this building.
Depending on the execution, this could really turn out to be a true gem.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 12:06 AM   #229
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It's going to be truly amazing. Mies van der Rohe used onyx stone for the interior of the Barcelona Pavilion, remarkable material, it looks like a nice painting, of course, I am still not sure if that's the material used on the exterior
I think it will be Vermont Marble for the exterior.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 12:53 AM   #230
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It might be (especially if we look at the daytime renders). I checked the official site to get more information, but I couldn't find information concerning the material on the exterior.
This is off topic, but do we have a thread for 2050 M STREET in Washington, DC? That building is the most elegant and innovative structure I've seen lately (it has curved glass panels). The building is designed by REX, too.
Edit: Someone should definitely open a thread about that beauty, you should see the glass mockups, impressive.

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Old September 10th, 2016, 08:59 PM   #231
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Impressed with the initial renderings. If they can pull it off in the spirit of what's represented here, the Perelman will be a great addition to the complex. Amazing solution given the importance and complexity of the site and the surrounding "starchitecture!" Simple and elegant, it calls just the right amount of attention to itself in contrast to all the surrounding glass, and will shine at night with the marble/glass and lighting!
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Old September 11th, 2016, 09:26 PM   #232
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This entrance reminds me a lot of Rem Koolhaas' Casa da Música (also a concert hall), in Porto, Portugal:



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Old September 11th, 2016, 10:42 PM   #233
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A lot of things went wrong with the WTC, poor choices and value engineering make the towers less than stellar in the world of supertalls. The memorial isn't entirely perfect either, the buildings look like afterthoughts and the random strips of grass make no sense. And those "stability pipes" or whatever one may call them in the transportation hub didn't exactly enhance the design.

However, I absolutely love the memorial pools, so simple but so beautiful. And even with the pipes I just criticised I think the Calatrava hub is amazing. And now this PAC design, I think when all is said, the gorgeous stuff in the WTC complex will comfortably outweigh the downers. Amazing renders, going to be a beauty!

All is well in the end...
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Old September 12th, 2016, 05:49 AM   #234
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I wonder if that grass circle on top will be accessible by the public.
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Old September 12th, 2016, 06:06 AM   #235
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That would provide awesome views of the complex, better than Liberty Park. I hope it's a public amentity.
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Old September 12th, 2016, 09:30 PM   #236
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It's going to be truly amazing. Mies van der Rohe used onyx stone for the interior of the Barcelona Pavilion, remarkable material, it looks like a nice painting, of course, I am still not sure if that's the material used on the exterior, but it might look amazing, eccentric and futuristic although I've never seen it used in exteriors, in person it looks like there's magma beneath the stone (well it looked like that to me), or electricity, not sure what's the right way to explain it, but it leaves a huge impression. Spectacular and extravagant material.
Comparing it to Mies van der Rohe's work is like comparing fine drapery to a used tampon.

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Old September 14th, 2016, 02:09 PM   #237
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Where's the part in which I compare the Performing Arts Center to the Barcelona Pavilion? I only mention a possible use of materials (I even stated quite well that I am not sure if they'll use the same material). Read more carefully next time.
About the rest, I couldn't care less how you perceive the building and how you express yourself.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 10:33 PM   #238
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Comparing it to Mies van der Rohe's work like comparing fine drapery to a used tampon.
Your elegant rhetoric is undoubtly the mark of a sophisticated esthete!
However,make no mistake, Mies van der Rohe is a famed architect,not
a brand of German sausage..
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Hilarious.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 01:50 AM   #240
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At least sausages have good taste. At least 1 WTC's spire/antenna can be clad as originally intended in the future, and 2 WTC still has the construction flexibility for the original superior proposal. The proposed performing arts center is as crap as you can except.

NYC deserves better for a proper grand performing arts center than a box named after someone who makes a living off cutting costs. Maybe Barbra Streisand will resign as chair before groundbreaking or conducting any degenerate events, and honor her promise to leave the country this fall? When that time comes, maybe this atrocious proposal is scrapped for something more imaginative. Calatrava did the Oculus and is currently doing St. Nicholas, so it's logical for him to continue the magic.

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