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Old May 29th, 2013, 04:41 AM   #21
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Many of the greatest pre-War skyscrapers, such as the Woolworth, Chrysler, etc. Consist of toothpick towers that rise from much bigger bases. The bases, however, are completely invisible in the skyline. Only the very narrow towers can be seen.
Would you say those kind of 1920-30ss towers with large bases rising to tall thin spires are outdated and won't see any commercial demand for them today, even with modern core construction techniques? If technology would permit it, I'd love to see 40 Wall Street, 70 pine Street, Chrysler Building, GE Building like towers rise again, but they just don't seem practical for commercial use. Maybe for condominium development.
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Would you say those kind of 1920-30ss towers with large bases rising to tall thin spires are outdated and won't see any commercial demand for them today, even with modern core construction techniques?
Yes. That's why many of them are being converted from office to residential use.
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Old May 29th, 2013, 04:50 AM   #23
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Yes. That's why many of them are being converted from office to residential use.
Shame. Well, at least in some residential tower designs there was an impetus for tall and thin in the pre-war style. I guess Tower Verre can be seen as a modern version of those 1930-esque towers.
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sounds unrealistic. plus so thin... who will want to buy such a small place if it is only 25% of 432 Park ave floor plan? Certain things are only interesting on the paper, but realistically... I have my doubts about it.
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What price for those units are they targeting? I can't imagine billionaires buing such small flats for many millions but if they would make those flats accessible to average New Yorkers they might have no problem at all selling them. Though that raises the question if the building would be financialy feasible if it would have averagely priced flats
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No billionaires are going to be buying on 23rd Street, and there's no way these will be available to the average NYer. Needless to say, there are a fair amount of people in between those two demographics, so it's not a matter of, if they can't charge $90M for the penthouse, this isn't feasible.

Look at 56 Leonard, 150 Charles, clearly a step down from the One57s and 432 Parks for sure, and selling units like mad. A building in this location will have sensational views, looking North, South, and West. I imagine like everything in this city, it'd sell half its units in a few weeks.
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Old May 29th, 2013, 04:16 PM   #27
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Thanks for clarifying this. So we can expect millionaires, but not billionaires in these apartments
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Old May 29th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #28
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I walked by this site today. I hope that the Champagne Flute rises next year.
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Shame. Well, at least in some residential tower designs there was an impetus for tall and thin in the pre-war style. I guess Tower Verre can be seen as a modern version of those 1930-esque towers.
Not really, because old skyscrapers are either much smaller (and shorter) in the context of today than they were when built, and the city's asinine setback laws "squeezed" many as the height increased at the base.

I assume towers like the Chrysler and Empire State Buildings haven't been converted into residential and/or hotel use because the prestige associated with the names. However, I can't really think of any prestigious office tenants for either, except maybe InterMedia Partners, which is a stupid name for a private equity firm in the Chrysler Building, and some branch offices in both. Coty increased their space within the ESB, too.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 05:17 AM   #30
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800 ft is some serious height for midtown south/ No Mad. This tower will compliment well with 1 Madison Park in midtown south's skyline. If 1 Madison Ave ever gets going that would most likely be the reigning height King in this area in the future.

Extell's newly acquired ring portfolio is big and when he develops them it could dramatically change this neighborhood and maybe he can build some of these in similar height

There is an article today in the post that discusses some exciting project in NoMad/ Midtown South:

North of Madison Square Park is buzzing with restaurants, hotels and new condos — here are five reasons we’re excited
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...unHZT13l809ISI

" NYC is awash in acronyms: Today SoHo, TriBeCa and FiDi are fully part of the local lingo.

But what about NoMad — North of Madison Square Park?

If you haven’t been tossing the term around, you soon will. This area, from 26th Street up to 30th and from Lexington Avenue over to Sixth, has seen an explosion of chic hotels, hip restaurants and glitzy residential buildings where there were once mostly wholesale clothing stores and rug merchants.

Here are our top five reasons that what was once a barren no-man’s-neighborhood has finally landed.

New construction is breaking all sorts of barriers.

Apparently, “Huys” is the Dutch word for a new 58-unit construction condo. At least that’s what they’re calling the building at East 28th Street that went on the market in March (for the record, the developer and designers are all Dutch) and is over 50 percent in contract; available units go for $3.1 million to $9.25 million. (Active listings are about $2,100 per square foot.)

And just a block or so north of Madison Square Park is a new-construction condo at 241 Fifth Ave. The 45-unit building, which is being marketed by Core’s Doron Zwickel and should be ready for move-ins this summer, is already 70 percent sold, with prices at a highly respectable $1,800 to $2,000 per square foot (not counting the pricier three-bedroom, 3,080-square-foot penthouse, priced at $7.95 million, still on the market).

And new buildings that are south of NoMad — meaning, they’re actually on the park — only add to the allure of the nearby neighborhood. They include the Whitman, a four-unit building on the northern edge of the park that should have move-ins this summer (and which reportedly sold a unit to Chelsea Clinton) and still has a $25 million, 6,540-square-foot penthouse available; and Ten Madison Square West (the former International Toy Center), with 125 units, which will start sales in the coming weeks, with one-bedrooms starting in the $1.5 million range and a five-bedroom penthouse listed for $25 million.


And there’s activity on the south side of the park, too: Related is restarting sales on One Madison Park, and we hear that Ian Bruce Eichner’s firm, Continuum, is also gearing up to start a project down the block on East 22nd Street. "
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Good news. I walked by recently. The site is occupied by a great Indian restaurant.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 06:29 AM   #32
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Good news. I walked by recently. The site is occupied by a great Indian restaurant.
Yes, Tamarind is actually very good - one of the best Indian places in NYC.

Also: this building is neat.
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Apparently, “Huys” is the Dutch word for a new 58-unit construction condo. At least that’s what they’re calling the building at East 28th Street that went on the market in March (for the record, the developer and designers are all Dutch) and is over 50 percent in contract; available units go for $3.1 million to $9.25 million. (Active listings are about $2,100 per square foot.)
Is that a different project? Who is the designer?
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Is that a different project? Who is the designer?
Yes it's a different project. The address for this site is 404 Park Avenue South. (58 Units / 17 floors) It's literally located next to Portzamprac's 400 Park Ave South project.

Dutch retake Manhattan via Park Avenue:
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/130429997

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the project is designed by several Dutchmen: designer Piet Boon, known for his work in Holland, a housing development in Scottsdale, Ariz., and a Fifth Avenue apartment; plus Piet Oudolf, a landscape architect whose New York credits include work on the High Line.



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Is that a different project? Who is the designer?
It's an existing building that has been refurbished.
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thanks guys.
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Filed this week:

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...r=01&restore=1

Last Action: PLAN EXAM - IN PROCESS 08/08/2013 (H)

Pre-Filed: 08/07/2013 Building Type: Other Estimated Total Cost: $0.00
Date Filed: 08/08/2013 Electronically Filed: Yes
Fee Structure: STANDARD
Review is requested under Building Code: 2008 Hub Job ‡: Yes
Job Description Comments

1 Location Information (Filed At)
House No(s): 41 Street Name: EAST 22ND STREET
Borough: Manhattan Block: 851 Lot: 32 BIN: 1078703 CB No: 105
Work on Floor(s): SUB,CEL,2MZ,3MZ,ROF 001 thru 058 Apt/Condo No(s): Zip Code: 10010

2 Applicant of Record Information
Name: ALAN R POEPPEL
Business Name: LANGAN ENG. ENV SUREY LCP ARCH, Business Phone: 212-479-5400
Business Address: 360 WEST 31ST STREET 8TH FL NEW YORK NY 10001 Business Fax: 201-794-0366
E-Mail: [email protected] Mobile Telephone: 201-618-0013
License Number: 080220
Applicant Type: P.E. R.A Sign Hanger Other

Directive 14 Applicant
Not Applicable
Previous Applicant of Record
Not Applicable

3 Filing Representative
Name: BRIAN REDLEIN
Business Name: METROPOLIS GROUP INC Business Phone: 212-233-6344
Business Address: 22 CORTLANDT STREET 10TH FLOOR NEW YORK NY 10007 Business Fax: 212-233-6333
E-Mail: [email protected] Mobile Telephone:
Registration Number: 002627

4 Filing Status
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5 Job Types
Alteration Type 1 New Building
Change in Exits/Egress
Change in Number of Stories Alteration Type 2 Full Demolition
Change in Number of Dwelling Units Alteration Type 3 Subdivision: Improved
Change in Room Count / Dwelling Units Sign Subdivision: Condo
Change in Occupancy / Use
Change inconsistent with current Cert. of Occup.
Alteration Type 1, OT "No Work" Directive 14 acceptance requested? Yes No

6 Work Types
BL - Boiler FA - Fire Alarm FB - Fuel Burning FS - Fuel Storage
FP - Fire Suppression MH - Mechanical PL - Plumbing SD - Standpipe
SP - Sprinkler EQ - Construction Equipment CC - Curb Cut
OT - NEW BLDG

7 Plans/Construction Documents Submitted
Plans Page Count: Not Provided

8 Additional Information
Enlargement proposed?
No Yes Horizontal Vertical
Total Construction Floor Area: 249,222 sq.ft.

9 Additional Considerations, Limitations or Restrictions
Yes No
Structural peer review required per BC §1627 Peer Reviewer License No.(P.E.):
Filed to Comply with Local Law Local Law No./Year:
Other, Specify:
Restrictive Declaration / Easement
Zoning Exhibit Record (I,II,III,etc)
Landmark
Filed to Address Violation(s)
Legalization
"Little E" Hazmat Site
Unmapped Street Yes No
Adult Establishment Included in LMCCC
Compensated Development (Inclusionary Housing) Infill Zoning
Low Income Housing (Inclusionary Housing) Loft Board
Single Room Occupancy (SRO) Multiple Dwelling Quality Housing
Filing includes Lot Merger / Reapportionment (If Yes,17)
Includes permanent removal of standpipe, sprinkler or fire suppression related systems
Work includes partial demolition as defined in AC §28-101.5
Structural Stability affected by proposed work
Work includes lighting fixture and/or controls, installation or replacement. [§ECC 404 and 505]
Site Safety Job / Project

BSA Calendar No.(s):
CPC Calendar No.(s):

10 NYCECC Compliance New York City Energy Conservation Code (Applicant Statement)
To the best of my knowledge, belief and professional judgment, this application is in compliance with the NYCECC.
Energy analysis is on another job number:
Yes No

This application is, or is part of, a project that utilizes trade-offs among different major systems

This application utilizes trade-offs within a single major system

To the best of my knowledge, belief and professional judgment, all work under this application is exempt from the NYCECC in accordance with one of the following:
The work is an alteration of State or National historic building.
The scope of work is entirely in a low-energy building and is limited to the building envelope.
The scope of work does not affect the energy use of the building.
This is a post-approval amendment and exempt under a prior edition of the energy code.

11 Job Description
PROPOSE TO ERECT A NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED HEREWITH.
Related BIS Job Numbers:
Primary application Job Number:

12 Zoning Characteristics
District(s): C6-4M - GENERAL CENTRAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT
Overlay(s):
Special District(s):
Map No.: 8d Street legal width (ft.): 60 Street status: Public Private
Zoning lot includes the following tax lots: Not Provided

Proposed: Use Zoning Area (sq.ft.) District FAR
RESIDENTIAL 372,000 C6-4M 15.00
Proposed Totals: 372,000 -- 15.00
Existing Total: -- --

Proposed Lot Details: Lot Type: Corner Interior Through
Lot Coverage (%): 100 Lot Area (sq.ft.): 150 Lot Width (ft.): 100
Proposed Yard Details: No Yards Or
Front Yard (ft.): Rear Yard (ft.): Rear Yard Equivalent (ft.):
Side Yard 1 (ft.): Side Yard 2 (ft.):
Proposed Other Details: Perimeter Wall Height (ft.): 100
Enclosed Parking? Yes No No. of parking spaces:
13 Building Characteristics

Primary structural system: Masonry Concrete (CIP) Concrete (Precast) Wood
Steel (Structural) Steel (Cold-Formed) Steel (Encased in Concrete)


Proposed
Structural Occupancy Category: II - OTHER THAN I, III OR IV
Seismic Design Category: CATEGORY B
2008 Code Designations?
Occupancy Classification: R-2 - RESIDENTIAL: APARTMENT HOUSES Yes No
Construction Classification: I-B: 2 HOUR PROTECTED - NON-COMBUST Yes No
Multiple Dwelling Classification: HAEA
Building Height (ft.): 718
Building Stories: 58
Dwelling Units: 81
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718 ft?? dang. 718ft still will be pretty imposing in that area and will compliment the shorter 1 Madison park.
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More details on Ian Bruce Eichner’s champagne-flute condo at 41 East 22nd Street
http://blog.buzzbuzzhome.com/2013/08...t-eichner.html



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Back in May, developer Ian Bruce Eichner was set to raise a champagne flute-shaped condo at East 22nd Street, near the Flatiron Building, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Now, permits have surfaced for the 58-story, 81-unit tower at 41 East 22nd Street, which will rise 718 feet between Broadway and Park Avenue South. Eichner reportedly spent more than $100 million for the land and air rights.

The 372,000-square-foot project will have private storage, a gym, amenity space on the 47th floor and will be capped by a triplex penthouse on the 56th through 58th floors, according to this plan exam application filed August 8th.

The development, designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox Associations, would be just 50 feet wide at the base but would widen near the top like a champagne flute, according to a rendering reviewed by the Journal. The site is currently home to an Indian restaurant
Waaaay OT below! Sorry had to post this. LOL!

Spanish skyscraper missing elevators in monster goof: ‘Standard for the Future’ or sign of current decline?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1422685

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