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Old May 27th, 2013, 03:32 PM   #21
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No, there is also Vancouver, Lyon that have driverless trains without platform doors.
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Old May 27th, 2013, 10:46 PM   #22
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Nurnberg's suicides don't like the subway?
Driverless subway systems in Germany have to prove that they are saver than conventional metro.

In case if someone jumps exactly in front of the train it doesn´t matter if it´s driverless or not, there is no chance (except with PSD). For other cases Nuremberg-tracks have laser-scanning I think. Lyon has infrared, Vancouver has contact-plates. This makes an automatic train stop earlier (maybe already in tunnel) than a conventional train with driver could.

In some german metros with drivers someone at the platform can pull the emergency switch in the station if a person is on the tracks. In that case the driver can react and stop, but it´s not a speed-surveyed signal due to safety in case of abuse.

Taking into account maintainance and reliability it´s not sure if PSD all in all would be cheaper, hard to say. Always wondered why they have chosen infrared for Lyons line D, whereas VAL in Lille had PSD from the beginning.

Meanwhile they do some research with camera-based interference-picture systems (taking several pictures in short intervals and compare the differences). It´s all a matter of cost if you really want to make it driverless...

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Old May 29th, 2013, 12:50 PM   #23
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Thank you,Tunnel owl, for such a wide explanation!

but still, i suppose PSD will make the system better - there won't be a need to detect whether anything is falling on the rails. and i guess laser scanning may react on birds(if nurnberg's 2&3 lines had overground parts), or probably on some garbage or on people staying too close to the edge of the platform

still, there's a field to discuss pros and cons PSD)
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Old May 29th, 2013, 05:57 PM   #24
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Some info here:
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Old May 29th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #25
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Thank you,Tunnel owl, for such a wide explanation!

but still, i suppose PSD will make the system better - there won't be a need to detect whether anything is falling on the rails. and i guess laser scanning may react on birds(if nurnberg's 2&3 lines had overground parts), or probably on some garbage or on people staying too close to the edge of the platform

still, there's a field to discuss pros and cons PSD)
Exactly. School-kids did throw some litter onto Lyons line D tracks, making the train stop. Laser scanning is expensive, it has to cope with snow, litter, too.

Because of so much doors PSDs maintainance can be expensive. As with trains, it´s always the doors causing nearly all failures. PSDs have to be fitted with en emergency-mode, making them open themselves if a train stops not accurate at the doors (case of fire) and the crowd is pushing against it. USA e. g. has regulations for this and other things like turnstiles, escalators described in NFPA 130 (national fire-protection asociation).

http://www.nfpa.org/index.asp

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Old January 13th, 2014, 09:40 PM   #26
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Let's have a look at the three generations of the Nürnberg U-Bahn rolling stock...
The DT1 (since 1970) on the right, DT2 (since 1993) on the left:

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DT2 527 begegnet dem DT1 mit der Nummer 449 kurz vor dem Bahnhof Stadtgrenze, der sich bereits in Fürth befindet von Dennis Mendheim auf Flickr

And finally the DT3 (since 2004) are the automatic trains, they come in two versions: without and with a driver's cabin, the latter so that they can also operate on the non-automated U1 line.
DT3 with drivers cabin:

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Planmäßiger Aufenthalt im Bahnhof Sündersbühl: Der DT3F wartet den Gegenzug ab. von Tramgeschichten auf Flickr

DT3 without the cabin - open view for passengers:

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U2 von xrispixels auf Flickr

The automatic DT3 from the boarding passengers' perspective - looking just like any normal driver-operated metro with no platform screen doors:

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Röthenbach underground von davidvankeulen auf Flickr
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Old January 13th, 2014, 10:16 PM   #27
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Nuremberg U-Bahn is/was the only metro in the world where trains with drivers and automatic trains operated on the same track at the same time. Always worth mentioning that.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 12:38 AM   #28
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"Was" because it was also the case for the line 1 of Paris metro between November 2011 and February 2013.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 06:37 PM   #29
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DT3F train on U1 arriving at Stadtgrenze:


Der DT3F-Zug mit führendem Wagen 765 erreicht den Bahnhof Stadtgrenze by Tramgeschichten on Flickr

Destination sign of a DT3F:


Zielanzeige im Bahnhof Fürth Hardhöhe by Tramgeschichten on Flickr

Passenger information inside a DT3F:


Neben Werbung kann auch die Ausstiegsseite anzeigt werden by Tramgeschichten on Flickr
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Old October 29th, 2014, 01:54 AM   #30
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Some pictures of trams in Nurnberg:


1121 Nurnberg Hbf 7 October 2014


1124 Nurnberg Hbf 8 October 2014


1101 Plarrer 8 October 2014

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Old October 29th, 2014, 02:14 AM   #31
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I don't know, maybe I see something wrong, but I thought that this is a Metro only thread.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 12:26 PM   #32
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Then I will change it to public transport.
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Old October 30th, 2014, 01:11 AM   #33
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Well it was public transport when I posted and to keep everyone happy here are some U-Bahns:


709 Opernhaus 8th October 2014


747 Nurnberg Flughafen 8th October 2014


451 & 488 Plarrer 8th October 2014


494 Muggenhof 8th October 2014

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Old February 3rd, 2015, 02:52 PM   #34
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National Express selected for Nürnberg S-Bahn operating contract
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National Express is to procure 38 five-car Škoda Transportation RegioPanter EMUs for the Nürnberg S-Bahn services

GERMANY: Following a competitive tender, on February 2 Bayern railway authority BEG named National Express Rail GmbH as preferred bidder for two parallel 12-year contracts to operate Nürnberg S-Bahn services from December 2018.

Signing is subject to the 10-day standstill period. National Express said the contracts are expected to generate revenue in excess of €1·4bn, and would make it ‘the first overseas operator of a significant German S-Bahn’

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Old February 5th, 2015, 03:00 AM   #35
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The first overseas operator of a significant German S-Bahn, these exact words. On the other hand, Britain is merely 32 km overseas and the rolling stock itself comes from glorious Škoda in glorious Bohemia right over the border. I'll miss those "hamster cheek" trains (Bombardier Talent 2) in their original red livery, but then again, it shouldn't be too hard for DB Regio to find them a new home. These aren't Berlin trains after all.

It's good to see that any other operator besides DB actually has a realistic chance to win this. People in Nuremberg on the other hand are quite reserved and afraid of job losses and that a handover wouldn't go great guns and that Munich might be next etc.
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Siemens will deliver 21 new Inspiro trains for Nuremberg:



http://www.nahverkehr-franken.de/uba...fik-aussen.jpg

http://www.nahverkehr-franken.de/uba...afik-innen.jpg
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GERMANY: Nürnberg metro operator VAG has awarded Siemens a €164m contract to supply 21 four-car trainsets for Line U1.

Expected to enter service from mid-2018, the Type G1 trains are intended to replace the 42 Type DT1 two-car sets in service on U1 since the 1970s. Designed in collaboration with ergon3Design, they will feature walk-through interiors, multifunctional areas, retractable wheelchair ramps and air-conditioning.

In 2012 VAG decided that converting Line U1 to driverless operation would not justify the cost. The procurement for trains with drivers started in June 2014. However, the G1 trains will have provision for future driverless operation, as they may be required to operate on driverless lines U2 and U3.

The contract with Siemens includes two options, the first of which would not be exercised before 2018. This covers six further trainsets, enabling the replacement of the 12 Type DT2 sets. The second option is for seven extra trainsets to increase capacity on the metro.

The base order is partly financed by the city, which is providing €21·6m from its federal allocation. The Land of Bayern is expected to provide 25% of the cost of 11 trains.
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U-Bahn Nürnberg 2016 - The Metro in Nuremberg, Germany




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Busse in Nürnberg, Deutschland 2016 - Buses in Nuremberg, Germany

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Iftec and Vossloh Kiepe to refurbish Nuremberg trams
Monday, August 22, 2016



NUREMBERG Transport has awarded a consortium of Iftec, Germany, and Vossloh Kiepe a €5.1m contract to modernise its fleet of 14 GT6N and 26 GT8N trams, which were originally supplied by a consortium of Adtranz and Siemens in 1995-2000

The work will be carried out at Iftec’s workshops in Leipzig and involves a comprehensive refurbishment of the passenger area, an exterior repaint in VAG’s new livery and various other corrective and preventative maintenance measures

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