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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:14 PM   #61
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What ridiculous plans.

Alhtough if I were forced to choose, I think shop's is the least stupid.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:18 PM   #62
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The Farley Post Office right across 8th Ave still makes much more sense to me. Converting it into the New Penn Station, Moynihan Station. The tracks of the current Penn run beneath it already. It's large enough to accommodate the LIRR, Jersey Transit and Amtrak. The project preserves the classic postal building and brings back the feel of the old station.

Why go thru the whole process of moving MSG. They own the land and on top of that this summer they are completing a 3 year, a 1 billion dollar+ renovation of the arena..it's state of the art now!

I'm all for supertalls around the immediate area and it's happening regardless with the hudson yards projects and possibly 15 penn in the near future. Keep MSG and go with the plan to convert the Farley post office into the New Penn Station
MSG is outdated and unworthy of the massive amount of important land it occupies even with the renovation. It should be torn down, and it will be torn down.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:35 PM   #63
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MSG is outdated and unworthy of the massive amount of important land it occupies even with the renovation. It should be torn down, and it will be torn down.

Have you been in the Garden recently? MSG was definitely outdated a few years back, not anymore, not even close. I'm saying this as current and 17 year NY Knick season ticket holder.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:47 PM   #64
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New York is a great city but I really want to see a nice thick supertall/megatalls added to the skyline. There are a lot of thin proposals and buildings under construction, at least from what I notice. I think I just miss the height and thickness of the old WTC. None of the new buildings seem to give that "strength" back to the skyline.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:55 PM   #65
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New York is a great city but I really want to see a nice thick supertall/megatalls added to the skyline. There are a lot of thin proposals and buildings under construction, at least from what I notice. I think I just miss the height and thickness of the old WTC. None of the new buildings seem to give that "strength" back to the skyline.
Indeed, that's why it's a shame 15 Penn Plaza was cancelled.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 01:44 AM   #66
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Old June 1st, 2013, 01:51 AM   #67
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These proposals are concepts, pipe dreams that have NO chance of happening. They were commissioned by an independent group with almost no leverage on what actually happens. Even if something were to happen on the MSG and surrounding sites, it would be in 15-20 years. Close this thread.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 02:42 AM   #68
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These proposals are concepts, pipe dreams that have NO chance of happening. They were commissioned by an independent group with almost no leverage on what actually happens. Even if something were to happen on the MSG and surrounding sites, it would be in 15-20 years. Close this thread.
Lets close the India Tower and Changsha Tower threads too. Those buildings have just as much of a chance of being built as this proposal. This is a long term proposal, but a real one. You simply sound jealous of New York.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 06:23 AM   #69
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Lets close the India Tower and Changsha Tower threads too. Those buildings have just as much of a chance of being built as this proposal. This is a long term proposal, but a real one. You simply sound jealous of New York.
India Tower is on hold currently so it has a chance of being restarted. Changsha Tower has an actual person behind it that can build it. What do these proposals have? Nothing. They're renders mainly to show what could happen with the MSG site as in New York there is currently a hot debate over whether or not to kick MSG out and rebuild Penn Station. And I can't really be jealous of New York while living in it.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 06:41 AM   #70
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India Tower and the Changsha project are little more than third world pipe dreams. They are no more justified in possessing threads as this proposal.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 08:10 AM   #71
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These proposals are concepts, pipe dreams that have NO chance of happening. They were commissioned by an independent group with almost no leverage on what actually happens. Even if something were to happen on the MSG and surrounding sites, it would be in 15-20 years. Close this thread.
I agree with Archaen, if this is closed half the other supertall threads here should be closed aswell.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 08:39 AM   #72
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Very futuristic.

The only thing that's missing...

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So this is just a vision, nothing serious. ryt ?
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Lets close the India Tower and Changsha Tower threads too. Those buildings have just as much of a chance of being built as this proposal. This is a long term proposal, but a real one. You simply sound jealous of New York.
If "Changsha Tower" means "J220 (Sky City)", then the Changsha building is approved, so that means that it'll start construction sometime this month.
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India Tower and the Changsha project are little more than third world pipe dreams. They are no more justified in possessing threads as this proposal.
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India Tower is on hold currently so it has a chance of being restarted. Changsha Tower has an actual person behind it that can build it. What do these proposals have? Nothing. They're renders mainly to show what could happen with the MSG site as in New York there is currently a hot debate over whether or not to kick MSG out and rebuild Penn Station. And I can't really be jealous of New York while living in it.
This.

This sure shouldn't be classed as proposed. There are no intentions of these specific designs being built. One day, years away, something similar might be planned for the site, but from what has been said here there is no intention of actually moving any of these proposals forward. Changsha still has a far better chance of being built, and India Tower at least was a real proposal that had construction works begin even if it may now have been cancelled. This New York development is literally unable to be cancelled because it isn't an actual project. I shouldn't need to explain this but it seems some can't see it As for India Tower and Changsha being 'third world pipe dreams', that's an absurd comment. The countries the projects are in will soon be #3 and #1 in the world respectively in terms of GDP. You may say that doesn't mean they're not 3rd world countries, but they're growing so quickly that I think you'll be surprised by how soon it'll be that the west looks backwards in comparison.

Closer to topic having dealt with some silly assertions: There should be a place for these to be discussed as the designs put forward are interesting, but I don't think this is the right area. I was excited when I opened the thread, and then just annoyed that the whole thing pretty much amounts to nothing.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 02:39 PM   #76
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New York is a great city but I really want to see a nice thick supertall/megatalls added to the skyline. There are a lot of thin proposals and buildings under construction, at least from what I notice. I think I just miss the height and thickness of the old WTC. None of the new buildings seem to give that "strength" back to the skyline.
1 and 2 WTC are as high and as thick as the old WTC, as is the North HY Tower.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 02:59 PM   #77
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Lets close the India Tower and Changsha Tower threads too. Those buildings have just as much of a chance of being built as this proposal. This is a long term proposal, but a real one. You simply sound jealous of New York.
I completely agree with you. While this might be more of a visionary project it still is a proposal and proposals belong into this section of the forum. There is absolutely no reason to close this thread down
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This.

This sure shouldn't be classed as proposed. There are no intentions of these specific designs being built. One day, years away, something similar might be planned for the site, but from what has been said here there is no intention of actually moving any of these proposals forward. Changsha still has a far better chance of being built, and India Tower at least was a real proposal that had construction works begin even if it may now have been cancelled. This New York development is literally unable to be cancelled because it isn't an actual project. I shouldn't need to explain this but it seems some can't see it As for India Tower and Changsha being 'third world pipe dreams', that's an absurd comment. The countries the projects are in will soon be #3 and #1 in the world respectively in terms of GDP. You may say that doesn't mean they're not 3rd world countries, but they're growing so quickly that I think you'll be surprised by how soon it'll be that the west looks backwards in comparison.

Closer to topic having dealt with some silly assertions: There should be a place for these to be discussed as the designs put forward are interesting, but I don't think this is the right area. I was excited when I opened the thread, and then just annoyed that the whole thing pretty much amounts to nothing.
And who are you to decide if this is a real proposal or not? If i could decide on half of these chinese and india threads, those threads would never see the light of day. Does it really bother you so much to have an extra thread in this section? Are you raging right now over this thread.. Don't see what the big deal is, if more information comes along and this is just a vision it will be closed, if more information makes this seem a reality it will stay open, whats the big deal
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Gotham Tower eh? I say bring it on!

But seriously, once both the Penn Station and MSG get redeveloped and New York gets its first megatall I can die happily.
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And who are you to decide if this is a real proposal or not? If i could decide on half of these chinese and india threads, those threads would never see the light of day. Does it really bother you so much to have an extra thread in this section? Are you raging right now over this thread.. Don't see what the big deal is, if more information comes along and this is just a vision it will be closed, if more information makes this seem a reality it will stay open, whats the big deal
A proposal, as far as I am concerned, is a project that is proposed (at a push a project that will in the next few months go before a planning committee, though usually that would be described as pre-planning). This isn't. There's enough information to say that this isn't. They are designs by people who don't own the site. Shall I draw some pretty pictures and call them a proposal for another site somewhere else? Going by some comments here that seems like all it takes to get something in the supertall forum. There are plenty of visions that come and go, usually when people put them in this section of the site they are closed.

Of course I'm not raging over it, don't be absurd. As I said earlier, I was annoyed when I realized these weren't real proposals as they seemed exciting, that's the extent of it.

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