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Old June 4th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #141
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so the illinois is no vision to you? come on, dude.. it is getting ridiculous. i agree that this building would have been amazing, but we have enough sources that it will not be.
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Old June 4th, 2013, 03:34 PM   #142
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As I said before, I'm skeptical of these proposals, I think they will never be built. I only think that the thread should stay. That's all
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Old June 4th, 2013, 04:19 PM   #143
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boy you are stubborn as mule
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Old June 4th, 2013, 04:21 PM   #144
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And I think I'm not the only one
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Old June 4th, 2013, 04:26 PM   #145
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No really you are. Insisting something without any arguments is being stubborn like a mule And last few posts of you are just like "because i think it should be here". Cheers and bye.
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Old June 4th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #146
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then all visions should be allowed. Not just ny ones.
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Old June 4th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #147
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SOM's proposal is one of the most revolutionary designs I ever seen. I hope It will be built one day...
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Old June 4th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #148
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No really you are. Insisting something without any arguments is being stubborn like a mule And last few posts of you are just like "because i think it should be here". Cheers and bye.
Without argument? And what is this:

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Originally Posted by wjfox
Basically it goes in this order:

Pre-planning = Project is still in the design and consultation phase
Pro = Project has been submitted for planning permission
App = Project has been approved
Demo = Demolition underway on site
Prep = Site clearance/excavation/piling/foundations
U/C = Core and superstructure rising
T/O = Topped out, the tower has reached its maximum height
Com = Internally and externally complete.

In the UK forum we usually include "Prep" towers in the U/C section.
This is from the Request for moving thread, which is at the top of this subforum. Remember when I said that this is something between a vision and a proposal? Well, it has an official designation called Pre-planning and as shown in the quote above it belongs into the World development news section
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Old June 4th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #149
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it also says pilling is not construction It's clearly wrong and outdated but somehow nobody wants to fix it. As I'm here 5 years there never was thread with status pre-planning in this section. But even if you 'd like to go by those points this "project" isn't in "design and consultation phase" because it's already designed, nor it has been "submitted for planning permission" because nobody have intention to build it so it's neither pre-planning nor proposed. It's a vision. Pre-planning status was intended to be given to the projects proposed by the developer of which designs are not ready yet.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 04:46 PM   #150
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So this got pulled back to the surface.


Anything new here, NYers?
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Old October 26th, 2013, 04:50 PM   #151
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And as visionary project it was already moved to dnarchives. What changed?
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Old October 26th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #152
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i remember seeing the request in the change status thread and it was something along the lines of there happened something on the site, but can't find that post again and i think it did not provide any sources
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Old October 26th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #153
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This is more a long term plan/vision.

It does look like MSG is going to get the boot in 15-20 years, can't remember exactly how long, but as that date inches closer the city/state are going to have to come up with a way to fund a new Penn Station. The model of creating a special zoning district, and then upzoning that area, or allowing the construction of larger buildings, and then additionally, creating an infrastructure fund for that area where developers pay into if they want to build even more square feet than what is allowed, has been in place in the Hudson Yards and looks like it'll be in place in Midtown East rezoning. So I think the renderings shown, assume a lot, and are designed to wow.

Long term, I think it's possible we see something like what's shown, maybe not as tall, but who knows, given it could be 10 years off.

The only thing that is certain, is that Penn Station is the continents busiest train station, and the area around it is incredibly underdeveloped, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks that that will remain the case.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 05:03 PM   #154
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i remember seeing the request in the change status thread and it was something along the lines of there happened something on the site, but can't find that post again and i think it did not provide any sources
It's quite simple really. If this thread is going to be in this section at least one of the following questions needs to be positively answered.

1. Is there any developer with plans of building any supertalls in the area?
2. Is the redevelopment plan proposed/approved by any appropriate government agency or is it just an architect vision?

If it's no for both there is no place for this thread in this section.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 05:17 PM   #155
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15 Penn eventually will be built, as will many other very tall towers, but I believe they're a long way off. There are a lot of air rights associated with MSG.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #156
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I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but I think either this will get a major height decrease or it won't be built. I feel like we're in the middle of an Illinois being proposed. I'm not saying I'm 100 percent sure it won't be built. I'm just saying that it's not the most realistic project I've ever heard of. And I think it'd be great if it were built. Majorly great. New York needs a megatall!
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This is completely irrelevant. In fact I'd say one such tower could eventually be build in landmark location in say 15 years (the construction costs will be lower then). But this is construction forum and this project doesn't meet any criteria to be here. It's like making thread for xseed-4000 because japanese eventually will run out of space and eventually will build it. But so what, it still doesn't belong here.
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The problem of this forum is, that there's still no subforum for visions/far-fetched plans. And not even one for completed towers. DN Archives suck balls big time.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #159
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I Guy's....It's super tall this tower, greetingss
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Old October 27th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #160
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The problem of this forum is, that there's still no subforum for visions/far-fetched plans. And not even one for completed towers. DN Archives suck balls big time.
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