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Old March 23rd, 2014, 06:22 PM   #561
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these buildings are probably quite solid and well built, but they are sooooo run down and dirty that I have a hard time imagining them being revitalized.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 12:57 AM   #562
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Area around there is ripe for ruthless and mass demolishing campaign. it is very bleak, dusty, lacks any kind of character, consists of mostly run down buildings and in general look pretty bad. except for the building on the 9th avenue and corner of 36str which is pretty nice - EVERYTHING else have to go ASAP.
Tearing down most of the buildings you say have to be torn down would be a complete shame. They look like they are structurally sound and have a lot of character. They represent various styles of construction in New York City from the past and as such should be destroyed. People like you who think that the only buildings that should exist are modern glass structures need to realize that a mix of styles, materials and age are what makes a city truly classic. Modern cities their all new structures feel very sterile and don't present a friendly atmosphere to anyone.
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The white building is 475 10th Avenue, not 9th Avenue.
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I would agree that while modern development is often great just glass without the great stone materials take away warmth and humanity... save as much of the past as possible, and where you can build new don't solely rely on glass. Though it will predominate it needs to be complemented and I really hope some of the residential buildings in the Phase II development of HY have stone facades.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 06:40 PM   #565
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I feel like this project needs more scaffolding
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Old March 25th, 2014, 06:37 AM   #566
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Tearing down most of the buildings you say have to be torn down would be a complete shame. They look like they are structurally sound and have a lot of character. They represent various styles of construction in New York City from the past and as such should be destroyed. People like you who think that the only buildings that should exist are modern glass structures need to realize that a mix of styles, materials and age are what makes a city truly classic. Modern cities their all new structures feel very sterile and don't present a friendly atmosphere to anyone.
I totally agree with JohnFlint. That area is junk. In fact the javits IMO ain't too hot either IMO. The best building in that area is hands down is 475 Tenth Ave and think they may be the only old one to survive there. 475 Tenth is a gorgeous building as it is one of my favorites. It kind of reminds me of the newly constructed the Touraine in the UES.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 08:03 AM   #567
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Tearing down most of the buildings you say have to be torn down would be a complete shame. They look like they are structurally sound and have a lot of character. They represent various styles of construction in New York City from the past and as such should be destroyed. People like you who think that the only buildings that should exist are modern glass structures need to realize that a mix of styles, materials and age are what makes a city truly classic. Modern cities their all new structures feel very sterile and don't present a friendly atmosphere to anyone.
On the contrary I am one of the most conservative people when it comes to demolition in order to build new glass boxes. Every time there is something worth saving or really historic I am for renovation and revitalization. Problem is that this area and absolute majority of buildings are not anything significant, unique, beautiful or memorable in any way. the whole area looks like a glorified slums with dusty buildings with questionable hotels used by prostitutes from the 28th street back in the day. Area is completely dead at night - not a single store, restaurant in almost 7 blocks. on the corner of 38 there is another huge gap - exit from Lincoln tunnel, which can be covered and used for development.

right across from it stands this "masterpiece" that I also think should be demolished and changed for something better.
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especially given this view from the same spot
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The only building that is worth something in the area - I showed. the rest... I prefer something new.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 08:13 AM   #568
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The one with the "Draft Day" sign wouldn't be so bad if it was kept in better shape.
maybe they will save it. plans are not finished yet. next time I will go through 11th avenue and look there as well.

all in all this area used to be heavily industrial and used for sea-port structures. Port is gone and majority of these structures are just plainly out of place and cannot be saved for anything. More to it - they should not be saved, since it is just slums and brick boxes.

If we want to save something - lets do something about the building across the street from Trinity church in downtown. true gem supposed to be demolished for a dull glass box.

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Old March 25th, 2014, 02:12 PM   #569
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You say them as 'slums' right now, but surely when the Hudson Yards is a lot more built up, these building being cleaned up won't give the impression of a slum anymore?
In there current state yes and much of the space is derelict land, but once built into the urban fabric of a new neighbourhood, they will add character and history to the place
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You say them as 'slums' right now, but surely when the Hudson Yards is a lot more built up, these building being cleaned up won't give the impression of a slum anymore?
In there current state yes and much of the space is derelict land, but once built into the urban fabric of a new neighbourhood, they will add character and history to the place
iamtheSTIG: please come, see, and spend money! JFK now has TWO heavy rail connections that will take you to this area. The most recent is the PANYNJ Airtrain that will take you from any JFK terminal to the LIRR/Jamaica station. From LIRR/Jamaica you can then the LIRR main line straightwest into the 1910 vintage bowels of NY Penn Station. The Airtrain will also take you to at least two different subway lines, if you want the NYC subway experience.

74 Trinity looks interesting.

I have not lived close to the HY area in 35+ years and I find the redevelopment/history interesting. To use mild NYC-area vernacular the current area is a "dump", which I appreciate.

Last week's platform-construction info release from Related produced this day-old wired.com blurb:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...-hudson-yards/

Wired.com uses this 103 year old map from NYPL to show the area then. Note that map is upside-down: North is bottom.

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Old March 25th, 2014, 04:41 PM   #571
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That DHL building looks like a typical DHL building: Heavy on the yellow and looking like it was built from Lego bricks. It'd be kinda charming if there was only one or a small handful such DHL buildings, but a lot of them look like that.
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You say them as 'slums' right now, but surely when the Hudson Yards is a lot more built up, these building being cleaned up won't give the impression of a slum anymore?
In there current state yes and much of the space is derelict land, but once built into the urban fabric of a new neighbourhood, they will add character and history to the place
Honestly I am not sure how all of this will look like. according to plan there is going to be a sort of boulevard stretching away diagonally from Hudson yards. Hudson yards are between 28 and 34th street. the slums that I was talking about are above 34th street. I am positive - something will be saved and something will be gone.

But the point is that if a developer has the right to build a 50 story building and there is some old dilapidated building stands there, he will not hesitate, unless there is some historical value there. as much as I know New york and its real historical architecture - these are as regular 1930s low rise buildings as they can get. there are literally thousands of them everywhere. Come to Brooklyn and you will see whole streets lining up with these kind of 3-4 story buildings.

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I personally in love with the brick and stone and in particular 1930s Gotham style of New York City. But these have nothing to do with any architecture. it is plainly regular typical brick row houses and warehouses that were there for those who worked in the port. as of now majority of them are empty since no one wants to live in such a place. it is pretty grim during the day and at night it must be "really fun".
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here is future Hudson boulevard map. once again - I am not sure which of the buildings will
be taken out and which will be saved.
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Just to touch up on with what John flint is talking about. The area I’m specifically is talking about is a stretch of old buildings that are currently on the Hudson boulevard Site from 33rd street up to 42nd street between 10th & 11th Avenues.

This is a major development area and many of the buildings in this zone are honestly not worthy to be saved.

You will have the boulevard that will plow through the current existing old buildings to make way.

You will have some unworthy buildings that will end up fronting that new boulevard that will not be pleasing aesthetically. What you will end up with is the exposed sides of those old building with no windows fronting the new boulevard. Those building will eventually be razed to make way for new developments that will compliment the boulevard.

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Blue – New Commercial Mix Use Developments
Yellow – New Residential Mix Use Developments
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Grey – Existing Parking lots for possible future developments
Beige – Ugly old buildings w/ no architectural significance. These can be razed.
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Just to touch up on with what John flint is talking about. The area I’m specifically is talking about is a stretch of old buildings that are currently on the Hudson boulevard Site from 33rd street up to 42nd street between 10th & 11th Avenues.

This is a major development area and many of the buildings in this zone are honestly not worthy to be saved.

You will have the boulevard that will plow through the current existing old buildings to make way.
Thank you Vertical_Gotham and here is the look of it today. BIG size
you can see the white building that I am sure will be saved and the rest...
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the brown building in the front and everything to the right of it will be demolished as far as I can understand. across the 10th avenue there is a huge bulky warehouse that I think will stay there. but further away all the low rises will be gone I think with the exception of white office building.
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I hope there'll be towers like these built in the area:

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I hope there'll be towers like these built in the area:
the idea is a pretty good one, but if you noticed - all of these are either ultra luxury apartments or a hotel/ mix development. I am not sure if this area is as luxury as W57th street or Central Park West to warrant such an expensive siding. Developers have to make a profit and given the area in question it is not the same level as the middle of a Midtown.
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