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Old August 16th, 2014, 06:41 AM   #861
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I just love this development, the design of the buildings just encompasses everything I love about contemporary architecture; elegant, noticeable, but not overly imposing.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 06:43 AM   #862
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Sorry

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Old August 16th, 2014, 07:51 AM   #863
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Sorry if it's been asked but why is this building not being constructed in steel such as the WTC were/ are being? The concrete seems like such a longer process for such a large building.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 08:08 AM   #864
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Apparently, Related wasn't able to reach a key agreement with the union representing the steel contractors. So they said screw it and went with concrete instead. jacko5 knows more, I believe.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 08:13 AM   #865
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Sorry if it's been asked but why is this building not being constructed in steel such as the WTC were/ are being? The concrete seems like such a longer process for such a large building.
4 WTC was concrete as well, but much simpler to build.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 11:11 AM   #866
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4 WTC was concrete as well, but much simpler to build.
Yes 4 WTC had concrete for the core, but it was mainly constructed in steel. This building is being constructed more like 99 Church st. for example.

But if they had issues with the Union that makes sense. Thanks!


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Old August 16th, 2014, 11:28 AM   #867
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Also really quick. Any information as to if 30 HY will be constructed the same way as this building?
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Old August 16th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #868
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Sorry if it's been asked but why is this building not being constructed in steel such as the WTC were/ are being? The concrete seems like such a longer process for such a large building.
because the ironworkers would not agree to the 20% wage cut that Related demanded.

they ended up agreeing at 10%

Related switched to concrete because they were told, wrongly, that the building could be built cheaper and as quickly with concrete. Concrete unions having agreed to the project labor agreement.

it was a dumb decision as we all can see.


Tower A is steel. (30 HY).
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Old August 16th, 2014, 09:26 PM   #869
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oh. and for those curious. excluding weather, shut downs, crane issues, the best cycle time achieved is 10 days for one floor working two shifts.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #870
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oh. and for those curious. excluding weather, shut downs, crane issues, the best cycle time achieved is 10 days for one floor working two shifts.
I'm assuming we should see this tower rise a lot quicker now since the first dozen floors seem pretty complicated, especially with it being all concrete. The amount of scaffolding and forms used was insane.
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if they can manage to stop getting the job shut down, i would hope so.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #872
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With this tower mostly being constructed out of concrete will that impose any future problems such as cracking or any other major issues with using concrete?
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Old August 16th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #873
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not really.

any deficiencies are corrected or else the building will never get signed off by the designers and inspectors.


edit: and for the record. I think concrete construction is garbage.

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Old August 17th, 2014, 11:43 PM   #874
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Yes 4 WTC had concrete for the core, but it was mainly constructed in steel. This building is being constructed more like 99 Church st. for example.

But if they had issues with the Union that makes sense. Thanks!

No, 4 WTC had steel encased in concrete for the columns.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 06:43 AM   #875
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jacko, as always your expertise is greatly appreciated
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:27 AM   #876
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edit: and for the record. I think concrete construction is garbage.
I disagree. Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages. However, prefabricated concrete elements for beams, columns, slabs, etc. and only the core poured with in situ concrete combine a lot of these advantages. Generally we will see lot more modular construction technics in the future.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 05:11 AM   #877
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 06:05 AM   #878
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 03:04 PM   #879
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Wednesday 8/20 media tour of Hudson yards

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Old August 27th, 2014, 06:05 PM   #880
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progress

Nice photo below by HorsePunchKid of 10 HY on right and the 10th Ave spur of the High Line at the left:
8.22.2014

HorsePunchKid Morning At Hudson Yards
The new new building is quickly catching up to the old new building.


When the "High Line at the Rail Yards" opens later this year I assume the new entrance (photo below) on the north side of 30th street will also open. I assume you will have a view into the East Rail Yards construction from the HL bridge above 11th Ave irrespective of whatever construction barriers they put up between the HL & the Culture Shed Plaza (out-of-photo frame to the right).

8.14.2014

solgoldberg looking north at High Line at the Rail Yards with 11th Ave on right

the AboutLight photo below is taken from the current open-to-the-public north end of the High Line with the not-yet-open High Line at the Rail Yards in the foreground and the under-construction Culture Shed Plaza north-adjacent to the [email protected] I assume somekinda construction barrier will be erected between the two.
8.17.2014

AboutLight Hudson Yards
Plate over LIRR yard

https://www.flickr.com/photos/113468...3/14760815270/

And here's a reminder on where the High Line at the Rail Yards fits into 10 HY/Culture Shed Plaza (aka terrafirma platform), namely above the 11'-0" high indent on the north side of W 30th street:

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