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Old September 26th, 2013, 09:35 AM   #21
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This great facade needs cleanning, not ridiculous recladding.
Good modernism -> ugly postmodernism
I live up the street. It was ugly. I very much look forward to the new. Instead of a masonry-appearing hulk looming over City Hall and Van Ness, hopefully we'll get something lighter and more airy. Maybe it's too much to ask that they also do something about the wind at its base, but who knows.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #22
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The new cladding is still modernist, but it has far less character than the old one, and is also more generic.
Interesting all these people who have never seen it in real life giving it so much love whereas everyone who has misses it not at all.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #23
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Interesting all these people who have never seen it in real life giving it so much love whereas everyone who has misses it not at all.
As an SF native/resident, I've seen it in person thousands of times, and have already stated in this thread that based on the rendering at least, I think I prefer the old concrete skin. I'll know for sure when I see the final product in person, and I hope I end up liking it more.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 09:51 PM   #24
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Would you also like living in it with little tiny portholey windows? As far as I'm concerned, if it was going to become residential, that skin was a non-starter.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 10:56 PM   #25
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Interesting all these people who have never seen it in real life giving it so much love whereas everyone who has misses it not at all.
Maybe you are used to buildings like this, but I see a nice monumentality in the old stone facade, and a sense of place in the design. This redesign makes it just another glass condo.
The windows aren't that small, either. It has also been said that while glass walls can open up a skyline view, smaller windows add a nice frame and sometimes increase the visual effect.

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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:17 PM   #26
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Maybe you are used to buildings like this, but I see a nice monumentality in the old stone facade, and a sense of place in the design. This redesign makes it just another glass condo.
The windows aren't that small, either. It has also been said that while glass walls can open up a skyline view, smaller windows add a nice frame and sometimes increase the visual effect.
First, it wasn't stone. It looked like, and I assume was, precast concrete.

In San Francisco, a "skyline" (or better yet a "2 bridge") view can add a couple of hundred thousand dollars to the value of the unit.

This is also a city that can often be overcast and dreary. People value light, bright spaces. With the former glazing, those units would have been dingy.

As for it being "just another glass condo", this is a city that, until the last decade, had almost none of those. A few went up in the boom just before the 2008 bust, but those were something new for this city. Frankly, that may be real point here. We haven't had many glass curtain wall buildings and those are actually more unusual here than the fake "stone" look (or in the case of some better quality buildings, real stone) this building had.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #27
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Maybe you are used to buildings like this, but I see a nice monumentality in the old stone facade, and a sense of place in the design. This redesign makes it just another glass condo.
The windows aren't that small, either. It has also been said that while glass walls can open up a skyline view, smaller windows add a nice frame and sometimes increase the visual effect.
I think balance is what people want. San Francisco was paved over with hulking concrete bunker towers between the 1960s and '80s. Glass towers were few and far between. This kind of retrofit helps even the scales. There's going to remain many classic concrete buildings but this one will really improve the balance around the Civic Center.

Of course, too many glassy towers would be equally awful. That's an issue farther up north....
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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #28
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Once again, I am really rather mystified by the love the old 100 Van Ness is getting. I compare it to 680 Folsom. THAT was a case where I personally much preferred the old skin and yet I felt very much alone in that taste. Again, it was a building that needed a gut rehab for a new use, in that case to be capable of accommodating cutting edge tech tenants. But it was still a commercial use and it didn't need so much glass. Still it became what in my eyes is the epitome of generic glass office structures:

The old 680 Folsom

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2..._the_bank.html

The new 680 Folsom

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2..._the_bank.html

Why the difference in peoples' attitudes toward the new vs the old? I seem to be on the unpopular side of both but to my mind not only was the glassification of 680 much less necessary but the old skin was much more interesting.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:32 PM   #29
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Stone or precast concrete, it looked good. At least that is my opinion. I feel the reclad totally robbed it of its coherence and character.

It's not necessarily about this building in particular, it's the general idea that buildings are losing their identity and character to developers who conform to today's standards.

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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #30
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Anybody who is really going to miss the old look of this building can always take a stroll down to the similar and much more beautiful 650 California



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The concrete/stone facade is everywhere in San Francisco, and 100 Van Ness is one of the worst examples in the city. This reclad is a much welcomed improvement to the Mid-Market Area.
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Highrise Check-In: Updates on 100 Van Ness

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Currently: All the windows are gone and the original masonry facade is about 60 percent removed. Expect to see interior work increase before the new glass curtain is installed which will give this re-purposed tower a much more modern look and elegant feel.






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Old October 12th, 2013, 03:35 AM   #32
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Panels nearly all gone:

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Here in SF we refactor *buildings*. First the bay bridge, now 100 Van Ness by Chris Stevenson, on Flickr


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Old November 7th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #33
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100 Van Ness in all its naked glory:


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Old November 23rd, 2013, 05:07 AM   #34
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Poor thing... I just hope the glass will end up okay, since the damage has already been done.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 01:18 AM   #39
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That is one bland facade.
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