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Old December 28th, 2015, 05:53 PM   #181
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Models of Frankfurt's Old Town / Altstadt

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Has anyone got a good picture of the whole Frankfurt old Town before WW2?
Over the years, many fantastic quality images were added to Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...kfurt-Altstadt

The best idea of what the old town was like for an overview, are given by the models though. Like the Virtuelles Altstadtmodell:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...nkfurt_am_Main
http://www.pro-altstadt-frankfurt.de...-projektbilder

I don't remember where the whole model could be toured, perhaps I'll find it.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...t-Luftbild.jpg


Then there also is the handcrafted Treuners Altstadtmodell, created 1926-1961. The virtual models were based on this. See Commons for more.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...n_DSC_6264.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...r_DSC_6282.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...e_DSC_6279.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...e_DSC_6285.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...e_DSC_6281.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...e_03012008.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...e_DSC_6277.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...tadtmodell.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...m_DSC_6265.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...m_DSC_6276.jpg


Once you've seen this, you might understand the affection of Germans for such models. It's almost like it's still alive, all in miniature!
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Old December 28th, 2015, 05:55 PM   #182
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At the same exhibition of Frankfurt's Historical Museum, there is another model,
that shows the devastated old town after 1945 ("Frankfurter Trümmermodell")...


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...kfurt_1945.jpg


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Old December 28th, 2015, 06:41 PM   #183
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The models are amazing, they for sure demanded a whole bunch of experienced craftmen. I especially like how they've even recreated the facades and the courtyards, they usually don't make the models with them, at least those that I've seen.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 11:13 PM   #184
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The models are amazing, they for sure demanded a whole bunch of experienced craftmen. I especially like how they've even recreated the facades and the courtyards, they usually don't make the models with them, at least those that I've seen.
Yup, the added court yards and court yard houses makes it all look so realistic. Excellent craftsmanship!
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Old December 29th, 2015, 06:07 AM   #185
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this model is simply just amazing. Such a shame for all generations it was destroyed.
All I can wish for is rebuild rebuild rebuild.
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 04:25 AM   #186
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Old January 28th, 2016, 03:13 AM   #187
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Thats a fair point, but I'd say St Paul's was more influenced by ancient Greek architecture than a straight up mock copy. There is quite a difference between carrying architectural influences in a design and a mock like for like top to bottom copy .

As I say i like to see restoration of run down historic buildings, and one off rebuilds such as the Dresden Cathedral are also quite symbolic, but a large scale rebuild of an historic area does not sit comfortably with me. I find it very interesting how Germany and the UK have differing philosophys for restorations. This sort of project would never happen in the UK, it didn't even happen in the UK in the post war period, let alone 70 odd years later. But for that same reason it'll be interesting to see this project develop as i have never seen a large scale rebuild of historic buildings. Timber frame Tudor houses happen to be my favourite architecture style along with Georgian architecture
You're right it didn't happen in the U.K. then or now and as a result many German cities, although heavily damaged/destroyed are now far nicer than most of the dreary U.K. cities with their bland, depressing 60's onwards faceless buildings.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 12:48 PM   #188
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When will they finish building most of the buildings? A shame they don't replace a handful of modern-looking building in the main square.

The ones to the right and left are awful =(

http://www.worldtravelimages.net/Frankfurt_Romer.jpg

Replace them with buildings looking like the rest =)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...g-20070607.jpg

Imagine the square with the buildings in the middle and to the left replaced with old-looking buildings =) It would be just perfect and tourists and locals alike would enjoy the atmosphere even more.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Juni_2009.jpg

I'm not against skyscrapers or moderns buildings - but 50's architecture doesn't fit with the old buildings. I'm pretty sure most citizens in Frankfurt would find it exciting to replace the handful of eyesores.

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I bet the Dom-Römer project will be a great success. After that, more reconstructions will likely follow. Even now such visions make their way through the city talk, so obviously it won't take long.
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You're right it didn't happen in the U.K. then or now and as a result many German cities, although heavily damaged/destroyed are now far nicer than most of the dreary U.K. cities with their bland, depressing 60's onwards faceless buildings.
True German cities in general on first appearance do look nicer than their British counterparts but anyone with a ounce of building knowledge can see immediately off its all fake. The photo above for example shows a mock timber frame building but it is let down by its dead straight line edges of the timber and immaculately smooth plaster. As I say it just doesn't sit comfortably with me and i feel it just dilutes the integrity of actual remaining historic buildings that cities like Frankfurt actually have. Modern architecture doesn't have to be all steel and glass, new buildings can fit into a historic landscape with careful sympathetic design and detail with a influence of the past without having to resort to building mocks.
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True German cities in general on first appearance do look nicer than their British counterparts but anyone with a ounce of building knowledge can see immediately off its all fake. The photo above for example shows a mock timber frame building but it is let down by its dead straight line edges of the timber and immaculately smooth plaster. As I say it just doesn't sit comfortably with me and i feel it just dilutes the integrity of actual remaining historic buildings that cities like Frankfurt actually have. Modern architecture doesn't have to be all steel and glass, new buildings can fit into a historic landscape with careful sympathetic design and detail with a influence of the past without having to resort to building mocks.
I know timber framed buildings are popular for their asymetrical and "shabby" shape, but the thing is that some of them were built +400 years before they were destroyed and they (usually) didn't get any renovation during that period, so you can't compare these reconstructions with buildings we've seen on photos taken in the first half of the 20th century. Of course, new buildings do look maybe too perfect, but I don't mind it at all since I don't believe they looked drastically different when they were first built few centuries ago.
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Germans still are building many timberframe houses. Mostly in the countryside. They look new, too. But not fake.
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^ Indeed, here's a construction company specialised on country houses in timberframe style, "Emil Elling":

http://fachwerkhaus.com/


And another one, "Der Spieker" from Lower Saxony:

http://www.der-spieker.de/Der-Spieke...aus.107.0.html
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It is fantastic that some architects build a business while focusing on historic designs. Good for these designers and builders! FYI, there's a similar group near Chicago that focuses on new prairie style homes.

http://prairiearchitect.com/contact-us/
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^ Indeed, here's a construction company specialised on country houses in timberframe style, "Emil Elling":
Sadly, both only represent northern(saxsonian) style half timbered houses. would love to see some company doing central(franconian) designs.
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I've seen a couple of new Central German (South-hessian, Thuringian, Franconian etc.) timbered houses, but probably they were designed by local craftsmen. Which is a good thing imho, as sometimes designs vary greatly even from one town next to the other. On the other hand, it would be very interesting to have larger companies implementing such designs at a lower rate, frankly I don't know if there are such. Maybe user Rohne knows?
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True German cities in general on first appearance do look nicer than their British counterparts but anyone with a ounce of building knowledge can see immediately off its all fake. The photo above for example shows a mock timber frame building but it is let down by its dead straight line edges of the timber and immaculately smooth plaster. As I say it just doesn't sit comfortably with me and i feel it just dilutes the integrity of actual remaining historic buildings that cities like Frankfurt actually have. Modern architecture doesn't have to be all steel and glass, new buildings can fit into a historic landscape with careful sympathetic design and detail with a influence of the past without having to resort to building mocks.
But Germans cities have large and dense neighbourhoods surrounding the city where you find street after street filled with 18th/19th century buildings.


Btw, that model of Frankfurt looks a bit like Stockholm's old town which is an amazing place.
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They have? Last time i took a look most of them were destroyed 70 years ago...
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mainly downtown areas where hit.
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Like Tolbert, I've missed the many large areas of dense neighborhoods filled with 19th/19th century buildings around major cities. Where?
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