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Old September 15th, 2016, 07:21 AM   #261
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unfortunately, you always have to compromise with the modernists to get projects like this approved. If you want to see another example of how modernists have blemished an otherwise fantastic building, go look up the Berlin Stadtschloss.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 11:53 AM   #262
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Why are they building some of them modern ? That's not reconstruction
It was never planed to do a complete reconstruction. What we will see is a reconstruction of the former layout as far as possible and some reconstructions in combination with modern "interpretations" of the "typical stile of historic buildings" in the former old town.

In most cases this works pretty well, only few of those modern additions won't please our eyes.
In fact, it will be a better solution than the reconstruction of Neumarkt area in Dresden, where most of the modern additions are just generic postmodern buildings and have no ambition to affiliate with the typical stile of baroque besides their simple cubature.
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Old October 20th, 2016, 01:42 AM   #263
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Old October 20th, 2016, 06:13 PM   #264
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Great, thanks a lot for your updates! Amazing progress, incredible how fast this went through.
Compared to places like Neumarkt that are built up quarter after quarter (on a bit larger scale though)...


Braubachstraße 23 almost finished (new neo-expressionist design, no reconstruction), turned out really well imho - why not build more like these:


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Old October 20th, 2016, 09:46 PM   #265
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Sadly a bunch of ugly modern buildings ruin an otherwise marvelous reconstruction
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Old October 21st, 2016, 05:40 AM   #266
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Sadly a bunch of ugly modern buildings ruin an otherwise marvelous reconstruction
I tend to disagree a bit with this view. Absolutely, a full reconstruction would have been the best option, but most of the new buildings really have quality designs and fit quite well with the reconstructions. They would not have been my first choice, but I would not call them modernist crap.
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Old October 21st, 2016, 02:01 PM   #267
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I tend to disagree a bit with this view. Absolutely, a full reconstruction would have been the best option, but most of the new buildings really have quality designs and fit quite well with the reconstructions. They would not have been my first choice, but I would not call them modernist crap.
Why not leave those so-called quality design buildings just 100 metres away from the new altstadt? Not in the middle

I don't insist on building an old half-timbering building just next to a skyscraper.
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Old October 21st, 2016, 02:36 PM   #268
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Old October 21st, 2016, 08:00 PM   #269
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I don't insist on building an old half-timbering building just next to a skyscraper.
But that's what Frankfurt's charme is all about, isn't it









Btw, interesting read if u understand German: http://www.monumente-online.de/de/au...rt-am-main.php
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Old October 21st, 2016, 11:16 PM   #270
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[QUOTE=erbse;136111944]But that's what Frankfurt's charme is all about, isn't it

Some people like harmonies, other contrasts. You can always find pictures with modern and old buildings like you can refer to city laws prohibiting modern architecture in certain historical towns/cities. But I think that most people who go and enjoy historical architecture enjoy harmonies and a certain atmosphere more than diversity, architects' egos and blending modern architecture with old ones.

Besides that, I don't mind the skyscrapers in the background, as long as the piazza where you enjoy your coffee consists of pure "old" buildings.
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 01:47 PM   #271
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Sure. The actual old town area should be harmonious and everything needs to blend.
The great thing in Frankfurt is, that you have the skyscrapers just next to the old town.
The only other place that can be quite like that is The Hague, on a smaller scale though regarding skyscrapers (while it got more old town left, obviously).

Btw, if you're looking for originally kept old town areas in Frankfurt, there's Alt-Sachsenhausen and Höchst.
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 04:45 PM   #272
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These modern interpretations are meant to give a hint of the architectural forms that once stood there. They are pretty much filler. I'm guessing they have a limited budget and are reconstructing only the most historically significant buildings.
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Hague is not a blend of old a new. It's 90 per cent old buildings and ten modern skyscrapers just outside the old city - just like I suggest you should develop a city with respect =)

http://www.urbancapture.com/wp-conte...etherlands.jpg

Luckily you have no modern buildings here:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../ac/Plaats.JPG

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I came across this rendering from 2011:

Boy, am I happy with the changes they made. It makes a huge difference.


http://www.k44.de/veranstaltungen/au...rter-altstadt/
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Old October 26th, 2016, 02:22 AM   #275
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I am under the impression that they've updated the virtual rendering on the project's website. The new graphics look very nice! I can't wait to visit Frankfurt once the project is finished.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 09:27 PM   #276
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I came across this rendering from 2011:

Boy, am I happy with the changes they made. It makes a huge difference.


http://www.k44.de/veranstaltungen/au...rter-altstadt/
Do you have a picture of both now and then?
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Old October 27th, 2016, 07:08 PM   #277
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That was just a proposal by some architects (guess Landes and Franzke and one or two other bureaus belonged to that team) who wanted two avoid further reconstructions after it got more and more clear that not only four buildings (Goldene Waage, Neues Rotes Haus, Esslinger and Klein-Nürnberg) will be reconstructed. But fortunately this proposal was never considered seriously by the politicians.
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Old October 28th, 2016, 12:34 AM   #278
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Love to see such rebuilds in the future:

Hopefully those ugly post war, 60/70s architecture aren't going to be replaced with modern or simple, kinda looking classic, building. If only the facade
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^ That is a beautiful picture! Do you happen to know how the square in the image was/is called?
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These modern interpretations are meant to give a hint of the architectural forms that once stood there. They are pretty much filler. I'm guessing they have a limited budget and are reconstructing only the most historically significant buildings.
Hopefully in the coming decades this will be rectified and the West will ditch its sick obsession with modernism and rebuild its cities in more traditionalist fashion.
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