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Old March 5th, 2014, 01:20 AM   #261
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There is a question what is the definition of a “city”?
For example,
Chongqing is the largest of the four direct-controlled municipalities of China. The municipality is divided into 38 subdivisions.
  • Chongqing area: 82,402.95 square kilometers, Population:29,450,000
  • The urban area : 4,403.19 square kilometers , Population: 9,650,000
Administrative map of the Chongqing municipality
pale-yellow area is urban area

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In Chongqing's case, urban area sounds more reasonable. To put things in perspective, the Netherlands is only 41,543 km2.
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Are you sure about that?

Chongqing bulit more than 50 100m+ every month?600 100m+ every year?so only 5 years Chongqing will have over 3000 100m+?
Hong Kong in the 2000s, there are some years where at least 150 buildings(>100m) were built (about 15 buildings 100m+ every month) .

So about Chongqing, 600 buildings built every year , it's unimaginable. Even though Chongqing aera has 30 millions inhabitant.

However, he may be right to say that chongqing‘s 100m+ towers are more than shanghai’s (more than 1200 high rises 100m+) :

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Old March 5th, 2014, 05:52 PM   #264
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In Chongqing's case, urban area sounds more reasonable. To put things in perspective, the Netherlands is only 41,543 km2.
Most of the Chinese cities have this problem,there are 286 Prefecture-level cities,4 Municipal cities,2 Special Administrative Region.
A Chinese city is divided into several county-level divisions, including Urban districts, Suburban districts,rural districts, rural counties and county-level cities.
For example:the city of Tianjin

Tianjin is divided into 16 county-level divisions,1-13 is city-governed district. pale-yellow area is urban district(1-6 division),7-13 is suburban district,14-16 is country. They built 100m+not only in urban area,for example:Goldin Finance 117 project is in Xiqing district(9 in the pic),over 100 100m+buildings built in Binhai New Area(7 in the pic) is faraway from urban area.
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Hong Kong in the 2000s, there are some years where at least 150 buildings(>100m) were built (about 15 buildings 100m+ every mouth) .

So about Chongqing, 600 buildings every year , it's unimaginable. Even though Chongqing aera has 30 millions inhabitant.

However, he may be right to say that chongqing‘s 100m+ towers are more than shanghai’s (more than 1200 high rises 100m+)
I think so.
Maybe urban area of Chongqing‘s 100m+ towers are less than Shanghai’s,but the suburban area of Chongqing has a lot of 100m+ towers.
Suburban districts of Chongqing such as Wanzhou,Fuling,Jiangjin,Hechuan,Nanchuan,where similar geographical environment with Hong Kong,30-storey residentials are very common.
If Chongqing considered to be a city of 30 million population, rather than the 10 million population city. Maybe Chongqing‘s 100m+ towers are more than Shanghai’s,even can challenge Hongkong
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Hong Kong: 2630...

Just an example. People post numbers combining sources as emporis, ctbuh and ssp.

If people are able to combine those databases they must have made a database themselves to exclude overlapping....

Some even quote wikipedia. If wiki is to be trusted it must refer to credible sources.

Where did the wiki numbers come from. I saw a list once where Warsaw was in top 10 of cities with most skyscrapers.... Wiki Seriously???

I believe that there are more than 2630 +100 buildings in Hong Kong.

But what is this worth if there are no credible sources (emporis or ctbuh or ssp or local building accounts or...

I would like to know where people get their numbers. More than 10 percent of ALL buildings in CTBUH are in New York City. Clearly that doesn't reflect reality. But which sources are more reliable????
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I think so.
Maybe urban area of Chongqing‘s 100m+ towers are less than Shanghai’s,but the suburban area of Chongqing has a lot of 100m+ towers.
Suburban districts of Chongqing such as Wanzhou,Fuling,Jiangjin,Hechuan,Nanchuan,where similar geographical environment with Hong Kong,30-storey residentials are very common.
If Chongqing considered to be a city of 30 million population, rather than the 10 million population city. Maybe Chongqing‘s 100m+ towers are more than Shanghai’s,even can challenge Hongkong
ive made a comment without the official source to support it with , I've only found one source saying "chongqing's high-rise number stands by the second in china just after Shanghai with the amount of over 10000" back in 2008,but no sources of exact height or number, nor the definition of the word "high rise " in this article. so I edit my post now , excuse for my cause of this .
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Most of the Chinese cities have this problem,there are 286 Prefecture-level cities,4 Municipal cities,2 Special Administrative Region.
A Chinese city is divided into several county-level divisions, including Urban districts, Suburban districts,rural districts, rural counties and county-level cities.

Tianjin is divided into 16 county-level divisions,1-13 is city-governed district. pale-yellow area is urban district(1-6 division),7-13 is suburban district,14-16 is country. They built 100m+not only in urban area,for example:Goldin Finance 117 project is in Xiqing district(9 in the pic),over 100 100m+buildings built in Binhai New Area(7 in the pic) is faraway from urban area.
Thanks for the crash course; it clarified things quite a bit. Based on what you've said, I'd only count 1-6 as part of Chongqing. The rest are part of Chongqing region. Counting 100m+ highrises in Chongqinq, I'd limit it to those 6 central areas.

Likewise, metropolitan Toronto is usually listed at around 5.9 million people in an area of 7,125 sq km. Within this area there are about 8 high rise clusters besides the main one downtown. The Greater Golden Horseshoe has over 9 million people over 31,561 sq km encompassing lots of other cities and towns, but I'd never include high rises in this larger regional area as part of Toronto's count.
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However, he may be right to say that chongqing‘s 100m+ towers are more than shanghai’s (more than 1200 high rises 100m+)
Possibly, but photos can be deceiving. For all we know, 90% of the high rises in that photo could be under 100m. One thing remains constant: good data on most Chinese cities is hard to come by.
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That's great. I think Mumbai will touch that magical figure by around 2020-21.
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Wow, that's an impressive milestone.
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Completed (antenna is included with height)
1. Three IFC Seoul, 284 m
2. Mokdong Hyperion Tower A, 267 m
3. KLI 63 Building, 266 m
4. Tower Palace 3 Tower G, 264 m
5. Trade Tower, 257 m
6. The Federation of Korean Industries Building, 244 m
7. Tower Palace 1 Tower B, 234 m
8. Mokdong Hyperion Tower B, 232 m
9. Star Tower, 225 m
10. Tower Palace 1 Tower A, 209 m
11. Tower Palace 1 Tower C, 209 m
12. Mokdong Hyperion Tower C, 202 m
13. Samsung Electronics HQ, 200 m
14. Conrad Seoul, 196 m
15. Gundae Posco the Star City Tower A, 196 m
16. The Sharp Star City Tower A, 196 m
17. Tower Palace 2 Tower E, 191 m
18. Tower Palace 2 Tower F, 191 m
19. Sindorim Daeseong Dcube City Daeseong Group HQ, 190 m
20. Techno Mart 21, 189 m
21. One IFC Seoul, 186 m
22. Sindorim Daeseong Dcube Tower 1, 183 m
23. Sindorim Daeseong Dcube Tower 2, 183 m
24. Mokdong Trapalace Tower A, 183 m
25. Mokdong Trapalace Tower C, 183 m
26. Sindorim Techno Mart, 182 m
27. Seogyo Xi West Valley Office Tower, 180 m
28. Seogyo Xi West Valley Residential Tower 1, 180 m
29. Seogyo Xi West Valley Residential Tower 2, 180 m
30. Gundae Posco the Star City Tower B, 177 m
31. Two IFC Seoul, 176 m
32. ASEM Tower, 176 m
33. Boramae Chereville, 174 m
34. Doosan Tower, 174 m
35. LG Gangnam Tower, 173 m
36. The Sharp Star City Tower C, 171 m
37. Galleria Foret Tower 1, 170 m
38. Galleria Foret Tower 2, 170 m
39. Hyundai 41 Tower, 168 m
40. Academy Suite, 167 m
41. SBS Broadcasting Center, 167 m
42. S-Trenue, 165 m
43. Tower Palace 1 Tower D, 164 m
44. Daelim Acrovill 1, 163 m
45. Daelim Acrovill 2, 163 m
46. Mokdong Trapalace Tower B, 163 m
47. Hyundai Superville Tower D, 162 m
48. SK Building, 160 m
49. Mokdong Trapalace Tower D, 160 m
50. I-Park Tower 103, 159 m
51. I-Park Tower 101, 156 m
52. The Sharp Star City Tower D, 155 m
53. Brownstone Seoul 101, 155 m
54. Seocho Chereville Tower 1, 155 m
55. Seocho Chereville Tower 2, 155 m
56. Sangbong Sante le Ciel East Tower, 155 m
57. Sangbong Sante le Ciel West Tower, 155 m
58. POSCO Center, 154 m
59. Yeouido Richensia Tower 1, 151 m
60. Dongbu Finance Building, 151 m
61. Centreville Asterium Office Tower, 150 m
62. Centreville Asterium Residential Tower 101, 150 m
63. Centreville Asterium Residential Tower 102, 150 m
64. Jamsil Prugio Worldmark 1, 150 m
65. Jamsil Prugio Worldmark 2, 150 m
66. Namsan Trapalace Office Tower, 150 m
67. Namsan Trapalace Residential Tower, 150 m
68. Wolgok New City Complex, 150 m
69. Hawolgok Starclass Tower A, 150 m
70. Hawolgok Starclass Tower B, 150 m
71. Samsung Distribution Tower, 150 m
72. Samsung Life Insurance Tower, 150 m
73. Dong Yang Group HQ, 150 m
74. Galleria Palace Tower A, 150 m
75. Galleria Palace Tower B, 150 m
76. Galleria Palace Tower C, 150 m
77. Lotte Castle Gold Tower 1, 149 m
78. Lotte Castle Gold Tower 2, 149 m
79. SK Telecom HQ, 147 m
80. Yeouido Richensia Tower 2, 146 m
81. LG Twin Tower 1, 144 m
82. LG Twin Tower 2, 144 m
83. Meritz Building, 143 m
84. Mapo Lotte Castle President 101, 141 m
85. Mapo Lotte Castle President 102, 141 m
86. Brownstone Seoul 102, 141 m
87. Boramae Nasan Suite, 141 m
88. Wangsipri Shift Tower 1, 141 m
89. Mokdong Hyperion II Tower 202, 140 m
90. Mokdong Hyperion II Tower 206, 140 m
91. Lotte Sky Tower, 140 m
92. Glostar Center Tower 1, 140 m
93. Glostar Center Tower 2, 140 m
94. Boramae Fantasia Tower, 140 m
95. Hotel Lotte Downtown, 138 m
96. Sinhan River Tower, 137 m
97. MMAA Building, 136 m
98. Centreville Asterium Residential Tower 103, 135 m
99. Yongsan City Park Tower 103, 135 m
100. Mapo Obelisk Tower 1, 135 m
101. Park Suites Seoul Tower A, 135 m
102. Park Suites Seoul Tower B, 135 m
103. Hanhwa Securities Building, 134 m
104. Daewoo Trumpworld Two Tower 1, 134 m
105. Daewoo Trumpworld Two Tower 2, 134 m
106. Good Morning Securities Building, 134 m
107. Mokdong Chereville Tower 1, 134 m
108. Mokdong Chereville Tower 2, 134 m
109. I-Park Tower 102, 133 m
110. Daewoo Trumpworld One Tower 1, 133 m
111. Daewoo Trumpworld One Tower 2, 133 m
112. Posteel Tower, 133 m
113. Jongro Tower, 132 m
114. Seocho Garak Tower East, 130 m
115. Hyundai Superville Tower C, 130 m
116. Kumho Richensia Yongsan Tower A, 130 m
117. Kumho Richensia Yongsan Tower B, 130 m
118. Kumho Richensia Yongsan Tower C, 130 m
119. Mokdong Hyperion II Tower 104, 130 m
120. Yongsan City Park Tower 101, 130 m
121. Yongsan City Park Tower 102, 130 m
122. Mokdong Hyperion II Tower 201, 130 m
123. Daewoo Worldmark Apartments A, 130 m
124. Daewoo Worldmark Apartments B, 130 m
125. Hyundai Parkville, 130 m
126. Korea HP Plaza, 128 m
127. Ferrum Tower, 128 m
128. Korea Special Comstruction Centre, 126 m
129. Chang Kyong Building, 126 m
130. Wangsipri Shift Tower 2, 126 m
131. The Sharp Jamsil Tower A, 126 m
132. The Sharp Star City Tower B, 125 m
133. Hungkuk insurance Building, 125 m
134. Seoul Finance Building, 125 m
135. Lotte Castle Empire 101, 123 m
136. Lotte Castle Empire 102, 123 m
137. Daelim Acroriver Tower A, 122 m
138. Seogyo Xi West Valley Residential Tower 4, 121 m
139. STX Namsan Tower, 121 m
140. Daesang Acrovista Tower B, 120 m
141. Daesang Acrovista Tower C, 120 m
142. Sungindong Lotte Chonjiin Tower II, 120 m
143. Sungindong Lotte Chonjiin Tower III, 120 m
144. Dae Myung Tower, 120 m
145. Kumho Main Tower, 120 m
146. Mapo Masters Tower, 119 m
147. Lotte Gwanak Tower, 118 m
148. Glass Tower, 118 m
149. Mokdong Hyperion II Tower 203, 118 m
150. Kyobo Gangnam Tower, 118 m
151. Boutique Monaco, 117 m
152. Dongah Media Center, 117 m
153. Sigma Tower, 116 m
154. Hyunam Building, 116 m
155. Lotte Castle Ivy 1, 116 m
156. Lotte Castle Ivy 2, 116 m
157. Korea Veterans Association Building, 115 m
158. Hotel Lotte World, 115 m
159. Mokdong Hyperion II Tower 205, 115 m
160. Janggyodong Hanhwa, 114 m
161. Seoul Square, 114 m
162. Sindonga Fire & Marine Insurance, 113 m
163. Park Hyatt Seoul, 113 m
164. Handok Medicine HQ, 113 m
165. Hotel Oakwood Premier, 112 m
166. Mapo Obelisk Tower II, 112 m
167. COEX InterContinental Seoul, 112 m
168. Daelim Acrotel, 112 m
169. Woori Bank HQ, 112 m
170. Hyundai Tower Seocho, 112 m
171. Daehan Investment Trust Building, 111 m
172. N Tower, 110 m
173. State Tower, 110 m
174. Mapo Trapalace Tower A, 110 m
175. Samil Building, 110 m
176. Donghun Building, 110 m
177. JW Marriott Hotel Seoul, 110 m
178. Mokdong KT Plaza, 110 m
179. Dongbang Jongro Building, 110 m
180. Changdong Apartment Complex, 110 m
181. Hanhwa Nonlife Insurance Center, 108 m
182. Samsung City Center, 108 m
183. ING Tower, 107 m
184. Hanmi Pharmaceutical Building, 107 m
185. Yonsei Medical Center, 107 m
186. Kukje Electronics, 107 m
187. Korea Technology Center, 106 m
188. Lotte Building, 106 m
189. Capital Tower, 105 m
190. Yongsan City Park Tower 202, 105 m
191. Mokdong Paragon Tower 105, 105 m
192. Mokdong Twinville Tower 1, 105 m
193. Mokdong Twinville Tower 2, 105 m
194. Yonsei Severance Building, 105 m
195. COEX InterContinental Seoul, 105 m
196. Grand InterContinental Seoul, 105 m
197. Kukdong Building, 105 m
198. Keukdong Construction HQ, 105 m
199. Bogwang Building, 105 m
200. YTN HQ, 104 m
201. CamBridge Building, 103 m
202. Pacific Tower, 103 m
203. Dongbang Life Insurance Building, 103 m
204. Dongyang Investment and Finance Building, 102 m
205. LIG Tower, 102 m
206. The Sharp Seocho Tower A, 102 m
207. The Sharp Seocho Tower B, 102 m
208. The Sharp Seocho Tower C, 102 m
209. I-Space Tower 101, 101 m
210. I-Space Tower 102, 101 m
211. I-Space Tower 103, 101 m
212. I-Space Tower 104, 101 m
213. Yongsan City Park Tower 201, 101 m
214. Geonyeong Mixed Use, 101 m
215. Buycksan125 Building, 101 m
216. Kuhmo Lake View, 101 m
217. Seoul IT Center, 101 m
218. Golden Tower, 101 m
219. GS Jongro Tower A, 100 m
220. GS Jongro Tower B, 100 m
221. Mapo Trapalace Tower B, 100 m
222. Jangandong Chereville 101, 100 m
223. Jangandong Chereville 102, 100 m
224. Jangandong Chereville 103, 100 m
225. Woosung Character 199 Officetel, 100 m
226. Hyundai Tower Songpa, 100 m
U/C
227. Lotte World Tower, 556 m
228. Ichon Rex Tower A, 201 m
227. Sangbong Premier's Emco Tower A, 185 m
228. Sangbong Premier's Emco Tower B, 159 m
229. Sangbong Premier's Emco Tower C, 159 m
230. KCC Welltz Tower A, 150 m
231. KCC Welltz Tower B, 150 m
232. Sindonga Familie Residential Tower A, 150 m
233. Sindonga Familie Residential Tower B, 150 m
234. Ssangyong Yongsan Platinum Tower A, 150 m
235. Ssangyong Yongsan Platinum Tower B, 150 m
236. Hangang Mapo Prugio 101, 130 m
237. Hangang Mapo Prugio 102, 130 m
238. Geumcheon IT Factory Tower 1, 100 m
239. Geumcheon IT Factory Tower 2, 100 m
240. Ichon Rex Tower B, ? m
241. Ichon Rex Tower C, ? m
On hold
242. Parc1 Tower A, 338 m
243. Parc1 Tower B, 271 m
244. Seoul Forest eConvenient World Tower 1, 207 m
245. Seoul Forest eConvenient World Tower 2, 207 m
246. Kookmin Bank HQ, 172 m
247. Daewang Corporate HQ, 152 m
248. Four Seasons Hotel, 107 m
249. InterContinental Hotel at Parc1, 100 m
Proposed
250. Seoul Light, 650 m
251. Hyundai Global Business Center, 540 m
252. American City Queendom Seoul Landmark Hotel, 250 m
253. Picity Tower 1, 158 m
254. Picity Tower 2, 158 m
255. Picity Tower 3, 158 m
256. Amorepacific Office Building, 110 m

TOTAL --> 256
Completed: 226
U/C: 17
O/H: 8
Pro: 7
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Old March 13th, 2014, 01:35 AM   #274
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wow!
That is seriously more than what New York already have +plans..

Did you make a new compilation? The last time it was like this.. big jump?
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Metro Manila

320 - Completed

197 - Under Construction

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Source: Philippine Forum SSC ,Urbika, & Emporis and also my list

Note: Many Unknown Completed & Construction in the Cities of Manila,Quezon City and Makati

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That's what I was thinking. The tally was at 630 just before Christmas. Manila will get another 370 100m+ buildings in the next 2 years?
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The number looks unreliable. Needs further proof.
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sorry for inclusion of 35-99m towers

only 650 towers with 100m+ by 2016

375 completed ( 2014)
272 u|c ( as of 2014 )
120+ ( proposals,on-hold )


1,000 100m towers in Manila by 2020 not 2016 sorry!
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No worries. That sounds right. 1000 by 2020 is still very good. That could put it in the top 3 globally.
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Please see this post...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1705989

At http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1705989 we have built an interactive map of Architecture, worldwide, its a WIP, but it does contain Skyscrapers, categorised by height brackets i.e. 50m- 99m, 100m - 150m etc.

These locations were derived from Wikipedia, so if you click on each location, it will show the Wikipedia Article on that building. Our system is NOT based on Wikipedia though, so, once you have created an account, you can actually drag and drop new Buildings onto this map, and then add your own Article to it, add images, and so on.

Would anyone in this forum be interested in a project to further map out the worlds Skyscrapers, or indeed any other buildings of note onto this map? Our Options for Architecture feature the USE of the building, and also its Period/Style. So its possible to narrow down your results too, as an example...

Skyscrapers in city X: That are Commercial: Art Deco

or

Skyscrapers in city Y: That are Spiritual: GothicRevivial

You can be as general or specific with your searches as fits your needs.

Mapedia, is a WIKI, you can add, edit, and contribute to locations on the map. And we can also import Wikipedia locations, including their own Categorisation. If we can get a small team of knowledgable individuals, we could build a growing map of the worlds Skyscrapers.

Also, we are totally open to ideas on how our Options (map filters) can be enhanced. If you think something is missing or needs alteration, we are open to discuss this.

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Chris Thomas
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Old March 16th, 2014, 02:28 PM   #280
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IMHO, I think the Wikipedia method of Categorising Skyscrapers is a good model to follow. They use height brackets i.e.

50m - 99m
100m - 149m
150m - 199m
200m - 249m
250m - 299m
300m - 349m
350m +

If you choose to List all the buildings over 100m+, then this will be a VERY large list, and one that is constantly growing. What IS the base definition of a Skyscraper, 50m+? In which case, this is just one bracket up from that, and so it will capture near ALL of modern Skyscrapers.

Where as, if we can work to produce a set of Skyscrapers bracketed by the Wikipedia model, then each bracket will tend to follow historical limits (to some extent) and also the Super Tall's list, of 350m+ will reflect how rare that bracket is right now.

Of course, as time passes we can add 350 - 399m, 400m - 449m and so on.

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