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Old March 30th, 2014, 09:23 AM   #301
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figures of metropolitan areas in north America/Australia looks ridiculous .
you might be right about the feeling and look of the city at the CBD/downtown area ,the problem that small area is surrounded by a huge African village density like area .

well after I read your comment I looked for the Chicago metro size and burst into laugh..

Chicago metropolitan area is 28,120 km2 and 9.7 million pop. , the whole size of Israel is just ...20,770 km2 .

and within just 10,000 km2 around Tel Aviv some 11 million pop. live.

Israel is really small though, and Metro area is different from Urban Area, Chicago Urban area is about 8.5 million or something like that, all/most of these people live within a half hour drive from the city and commute etc.

North American cities in general are pretty spread out but Chicago definitely feels like a ~9 million person city, having been there it is quite huge, all of the big buildings probably make it feel bigger than it actually is but still.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 08:20 PM   #302
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Update for San Francisco (city-proper):

built: 75
under construction: 11
proposed: 16 (a few of these will probably start construction this year)
approved: 2 (one is in site prep, the other on hold. Plus a few more based on renderings of the huge redevelopment plans for treasure island and hunters point, but details on individual building heights are hard to come by, so i can't give an exact number...it'll be years before they're built, in any case)

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Old May 11th, 2014, 01:38 AM   #303
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London

Complete 44

U/C 10

Approved 91+

Link to all of London's 100m+ buildings

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Old May 11th, 2014, 09:31 AM   #304
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# of 100m+ buildings in some small cities

Noida - more than 100 (tallest 400m app)
Greater Noida - 50+
Navi Mumbai - 80+
Gurgaon - 60+
Thane - 20+

Ahmedabad - 2 complete, 50+ proposed (tallest 410m)
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Old May 11th, 2014, 03:40 PM   #305
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London

Complete 44

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Approved 91+

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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1724975
That thread offers a nice over view of the current inventory. What's the reason for the big difference between U/C and approved? Does it take a long time for buildings to move to construction in London?
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Old May 11th, 2014, 03:46 PM   #306
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That thread offers a nice over view of the current inventory. What's the reason for the big difference between U/C and approved? Does it take a long time for buildings to move to construction in London?
Thank you Isaidso! It has taken some time, plus it still isn't 100% complete. London does get a vast amount of proposed 100m+ buildings, however as you have pointed out only a small amount of them are U/C.

London and the UK as a whole has had a bad past with tall buildings, after WW2 many housing stock was destroyed in London during the Blitz. So to overcome this shortage many tall council block buildings were built in the 60's and 70's as a replacement. These were built out of concrete and over time have aged horribly.

Because of this tall buildings were frowned on and were seen as a monstrosity. Ever since 30 St Mary Axe (Gherkin) was built the tide has changed and people are warming to tall buildings, as they can see they aren't all horrors to comprehend with. However as with anywhere, councils and certain people act as a vocal NIMBY's therefore much of time there are many consultations to keep everyone happy, this then drags the process over a long period.

It is slowly getting better though, people are getting more accustomed to them and for London's rising population they are a necessity.
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Most cities around the world have the same system of checks and balances in place that try to address local concerns, but those wait times in London do seem excessive. I think 2 years is the absolute most I've ever seen something languish awaiting approval here.
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Most cities around the world have the same system of checks and balances in place that try to address local concerns, but those wait times in London do seem excessive. I think 2 years is the absolute most I've ever seen something languish awaiting approval here.
San Francisco has a statutory limit (known as Proposition M) on high rise office construction of 475,000 sq. ft. per year. In years in which that amount isn't built, the excess rolls over. Virtually nothing was built between 2000 and 2013 so a lot of space rolled over--that why we now have several high rise office projects including a supertall under construction.

But once the limit is reached, new projects could wait years. What was done in the last building boom in the late '90s when the limit was reached was that "beauty contests" were held in which various building proposals had to compete against one another for satisfying Planning Dept. goals. At that time, being "green" definitely gave proposal a leg up. Now virtually all SF buildings are "green". Being "transit oriented" (meaning little or no internal parking and being in a location that is transit rich) was also a plus. So, of course, was not requiring any zoning variances.

There is no limit on residential construction (and I believe that includes uses like hotels).
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San Francisco has a statutory limit (known as Proposition M) on high rise office construction of 475,000 sq. ft. per year. In years in which that amount isn't built, the excess rolls over. Virtually nothing was built between 2000 and 2013 so a lot of space rolled over--that why we now have several high rise office projects including a supertall under construction.

But once the limit is reached, new projects could wait years. What was done in the last building boom in the late '90s when the limit was reached was that "beauty contests" were held in which various building proposals had to compete against one another for satisfying Planning Dept. goals. At that time, being "green" definitely gave proposal a leg up. Now virtually all SF buildings are "green". Being "transit oriented" (meaning little or no internal parking and being in a location that is transit rich) was also a plus. So, of course, was not requiring any zoning variances.

There is no limit on residential construction (and I believe that includes uses like hotels).
I've never heard of a system like that. I suppose it had its benefits when proposals had to compete with each other for only a few 'slots', but setting an arbitrary limit like 475,000 sq ft could potentially cause severe bottle necks.

Wouldn't business be in the best position to decide whether SF needs office space or not?
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ITALY
COMPLETED U/C PROPOSED
Bologna
* Unipol Tower (127 m)

Brescia
* Crystal Palace (110 m)

Cesenatico
* Marinella Tower (118 m)

Genoa
* Matitone (109 m)
* Torre Piacentini (108 m)
* San Vincenzo Tower (105 m)
* WTC (102 m)

* Comparto 2 (100 m)

Latina
* Torre Pontina (128 m)

Milan
* Il Dritto / Allianz Tower (207 m, without antenna)
* Unicredit Tower - Tower A (231 m, included spire)
* Lo Storto / Generali Tower (175 m)
* Il Curvo (165 m)
* Palazzo Lombardia (161 m)
* Solaria Tower (143 m)
* Diamond Tower (140 m)
* Torre Pirelli (127 m)
* Breda Tower (117 m)
* Bosco Verticale - Tower E (111 m)
* Torre Galfa (109 m)
* Torre Velasca (106 m)
* Unicredit Tower - Tower B (105 m)
* Garibaldi Twin Towers - Tower A (100 m)
* Garibaldi Twin Towers - Tower B (100 m)


Naples
* Telecom Italia Tower (129 m)
* Enel Tower 1 (122 m)
* Enel Tower 2 (122 m)
* Francesco Tower (118 m)
* Saverio Tower (118 m)
* Regione Campania Tower (115 m)
* Court of Naples - Tower A (110 m)
* Società Cattolica Assicurazioni Tower (105 m)
* NH Ambassador Hotel (101 m)


Rimini
* Rimini Tower (100 m)

Rome
* Telecom Italia Tower (178 m)
* Business Forum Tower (160 m)
* Eurosky Tower (155 m)
* Millennium Tower (150)
* Green Tower (135 m)
* Torre Massimina (130 m)

* Europarco Tower (120 m)

Turin
* Regione Piemonte Tower (209 m)
* Intesa San Paolo Tower (167 m)
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Nice work IThomas. So 10 Italian cities with 100m+ buildings. That's quite good. I don't think Canada even has that many. I just checked and it looks like we have 12: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Windsor, London, Niagara Falls, Hamilton, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Halifax.

Mississauga, Burnaby, Surrey, Port Coquitlam, or New Westminster have 100m+ as well. They are technically separate cities but I didn't count them because they're really just part of metro Toronto and Vancouver.
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Germany even has 17 cities with 100m buildings.

Here again, in descending order:

Frankfurt = 30 (1 UC)
Berlin = 10 (1 UC)
Köln = 10
München = 6
Hamburg 3
Mannheim = 3
Düsseldorf = 3
Essen = 2
Bonn = 2
Leipzig = 1
Augsburg = 1
Bremerhaven = 1
Jena 1
Lübeck 1
Nürnberg 1
Offenbach am Main 1
Timmendorfer Strand 1
Building = 77

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ngs_in_Germany
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That's good as well. I haven't even heard of some of those. Timmendorfer Strand?
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Maritim Clubhotel 101m Timmendorfer Strand



This is a hotel building on the Baltic Sea located just off a beach.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritim_Clubhotel
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Thanks.
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That's good as well. I haven't even heard of some of those. Timmendorfer Strand? Here are the numbers for Canada:

Completed: 6,431
U/C: 338
Proposed: 485
Do you have sources for the finished buildings ?

In Internet sources is written of 500 to 550 completed 100m buildings in Canada.

I think that they all buildings enumerated in Skyscraperpage up to and including 50m.



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