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Old February 19th, 2015, 09:46 PM   #441
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Except this is the 100m+ building thread, so why are you talking about 200 meter buildings? Sao Paulo has a much bigger skyline than Toronto, despite not having any buildings over 200 meters. Maybe it's your opinion that Toronto's skyline looks better, but it isn't the number 2 skyline outside of Asia when it comes to the actual size of the skyline.
I know it's a 100m thread, I'm the thread starter.

First of all I didn't say that Toronto has the #2 skyline outside Asia, I clearly said "Toronto looks destined to be the #2 skyline outside Asia by the decade's close." Please read what's actually written.

Secondly, I didn't think it needed explaining but looking at one metric doesn't tell the whole story. Sao Paulo is testament to the fact that one can have a lot of 100m+ buildings but not a very impressive skyline. I had to bring up other criteria like 200m+ buildings because you argued that I'd overlooked Sao Paulo when making my statement. I had not.

Thirdly, Toronto has a larger skyline than Sao Paulo by every measure. If you prefer Sao Paulo that's fine, but it's not bigger. Go look at the data. Here I'll get you started. This is just one data table courtesy of SSP. Even if one counts as low down as 50m Toronto comes out on top:

Number of 50m+ Buildings Built
Toronto 1205
Sao Paulo 505

Here's another resource you might want to look over first. Toronto is currently 3rd largest outside Asia behind New York and Chicago only: http://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html
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Without a doubt Toronto's skyline has more height and much better composition than Sao Paulo. However, I have a hard time believing that "Toronto has a larger skyline than Sao Paulo by every measure".

I know its outside the 100m+ metric being used in this thread, but Emporis lists the following statistics for the two cities for "high-rise buildings" greater than 12 stories:

Toronto: 2,240 (Link)

Sao Paulo: 6,424 (Link)

It may not be pretty, but Sao Paulo certainly is massive:

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Old February 22nd, 2015, 11:25 AM   #443
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Old March 11th, 2015, 08:10 PM   #444
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London


Status: Completed

1. The Shard | 309m
2. One Canada Square | 235m
3. 110 Bishopsgate | 230m
4. The Leadenhall Building | 225m
5. 8 Canada Square | 200m
6. 25 Canada Square | 200m
7. Tower 42 | 183m
8. St George Wharf Tower | 181m
9. 30 St Mary Axe | 180m
10. Broadgate Tower | 164m
11. 20 Fenchurch Street | 160m
12. One Churchill Place | 156m
13. 25 Bank Street | 153m
14. 40 Bank Street | 153m
15. 10 Upper Bank Street | 151m
16. Guy's Tower | 149m
17. Pan Peninsula East | 147m
18. Strata | 147m
19. 22 Marsh Wall East Tower | 140m
20. Stratford Halo | 133m
21. CityPoint | 127m
22. Willis Building | 125m
23. Euston Tower | 124m
24. 25 Churchill Place | 124m
25. Cromwell Tower | 123m
26. Laudedale Tower | 123m
27. Shakespeare Tower | 123m
28. Pan Peninsula West Tower | 122m
29. Millbank Tower | 119m
30. St. Helen's | 118m
31. Centre Point | 117m
32. Empress State Building | 117m
33. The Heron | 112m
34. One West India Quay | 111m
35. Shell Centre | 107m
36. 33 Canada Square | 105m
37. 100 Middlesex Street | 105m
38. Pioneer Point North | 105m
39. 99 Bishopsgate | 104m
40. Ontario Tower | 104m
41. Portland House | 101m
42. London Hilton On Park Lane | 101m
43. Royal London Hospital Tower 2 | 101m
44. 125 Old Broad Street Tower | 100m
45. Urbanest King's Cross | 100m




Status: U/C - T/O

1. 100 Bishopsgate | 172m | U/C
2. One Blackfriars | 163m | U/C
3. Principal Place | 161m | U/C
4. South Bank Tower | 151m | T/O
5. Baltimore Wharf | 150m | U/C
6. 360 London | 149m | U/C
7. Providence Tower | 136m | U/C
8. Saffron Square | 134m | T/O
9. Two Fifty One | 134m | U/C
10. Nine Elms Point | 126m | U/C
11. Novotel Canary Wharf | 124m | U/C
12. One The Elephant | 123m | T/O
13. Chelsea Waterfront | 122m | U/C
14. Vauxhall Sky Gardens | 120m | U/C
15. 261 City Road Lexicon | 115m | T/O
16. Capital Towers | 110m | U/C
17. Dollar Bay Tower | 109m | U/C
18. Stratford Central | 103m | U/C
19. One Angel Court | 101m | U/C
20. Skyline Woodberry Down | 101m | U/C





Status: Approved - Demo - Proposed - Site Prep

1. Hertsmere Tower | 237m | Pro
2. City Pride | 233m | App
3. Newfoundland Tower | 220m | Site Prep
4. North Quay Tower 1 | 216m | App
5. South Quay Plaza Tower 1 | 215m | App
6. Alpha Square 1 | 212m | Pro
7. Wood Wharf A1 | 204m | Site Prep
8. North Quay Tower 2 | 203m | App
9. One Lansdowme | 203m | App
10. One Nine Elms Tower 1 | 200m | Demo
11. 52 Lime Street | 192m | Site Prep
12. Wood Wharf E4 | 187m | App
13. 30 Marsh Wall | 185m | Pro
14. Arrowhead Quay Tower 1 | 183m | App
15. Meridian Gate | 182m | App
16. Wood Wharf F1 | 173m | App
17. Morello Tower | 172m | App
18. Arrowhead Quay Tower 2 | 170m | App
19. New Bondway | 170m | App
20. Mitsubishi Tower | 168m | Pro
21. Vauxhall Square Tower 1 | 168m | App
22. Vauxhall Square Tower 2 | 168m | App
23. The Goodsyard Tower 1 | 166m | Pro
24. 1 Park Place | 162m | Site Prep
25. Bankside Quarter Tower 1 | 161m | App
26. One Nine Elms Tower 2 | 161m | Demo
27. City Forum Tower 1 | 155m | Demo
28. Wood Wharf J3 | 155m | App
29. Wood Wharf B1 | 155m | App
30. 40 Leadenhall Street | 154m | App
31. 225 Marsh Wall | 154m | Pro
32. The Goodsyard Tower 2 | 153m | Pro
33. 10 Bank Street | 150m | Pro
34. 1 Merchant Square | 150m | App
35. Wood Wharf A3 | 150m | App
36. 1 Bank Street | 147m | App
37. 2 Millharbour A | 145m | App
38. Manhattan Loft Gardens | 143m | Site Prep
39. Millharbour Village G3 | 142m | App
40. Vauxhall Cross Island Tower 1 | 141m | App
41. Imperial West | 141m | App
42. Canada Water Sites C and E | 140m | App
43. Doon Street Tower | 140m | App
44. Gateway Tower | 140m | Pro
45. Millharbour Village G1.1 | 139m | App
46. City Forum Tower 2 | 137m | Demo
47. College Road | 135m | App
48. 145 City Road | 134m | Demo
49. 20 Blackfriars Road | 133m | App
50. 54 Marsh Wall Tower 1 | 130m | Pro
51. The Goodsyard Tower 3 | 130m | Pro
52. Wood Wharf E2 | 128m | App
53. Helix London Tower 1 | 127m | App
54. Millharbour Village G2.1 | 126m | App
55. Keybridge House | 125m | App
56. Elizabeth House Redevelopment | 123m | App
57. One Crown Place Tower 1 | 123m | Pro
58. Stratosphere | 122m | Site Prep
59. 2 Millharbour B | 122m | App
60. 2 Millharbour C | 122m | App
61. North Quay Tower 3 - 120m App
62. Taberner House | 120m | Demo
63. New Covent Garden Market N9 | 117m | Pro
64. The Goodsyard Tower 4 | 117m | Pro
65. Alpha Square 2 | 116m | Pro
66. Convoys Wharf | 116m | App
67. The Ram Quarter | 116m | Demo
68. South Quay Plaza Tower 2 | 115m | App
69. The Stage Shoreditch | 115m | App
70. Vauxhall Cross Island Tower 2 | 115m | App
71. 12-20 Wyvil Road | 114m | App
72. Millharbour Village G2.2 | 113m | App
73. Ram Brewery | 113m | Demo
74. The Quill | 110m | App
75. Bankside Quarter Tower 1 | 108m | App
76. Helix London Tower 2 | 108m | App
77. One Crown Place Tower 2 | 107m | Pro
78. Wood Wharf J1 | 106m | App
79. Whitechapel Square | 105m | Pro
80. One Portal Way Block 1 | 104m | Pro
81. Enderby Place and London Cruise Terminal | 102m | Pro
82. Millharbour Village G4 | 102m | App
83. New Covent Garden Market N7 | 100m | App




Total: 148
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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #445
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I don't understand all the attention London gets with it's supposed "Construction Boom" while only few users here give a credit to Tokyo ( a world class metropolis too btw) wich is constructing twice more highrises than London ( 45 approximatively) and experiencing a constant boom since decades ...
I check some projects threads of London and I am surprised by the amount of followers for average towers ( 120/150m) , these projects are so normal in Tokyo that sometimes we haven't any update of them for months and months ....
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In the context of Europe and more specifically Western Europe, then yes London is experiencing a tall building 'construction boom', as you put it yourself. In the grand scheme of things, the construction of tall buildings in London is light years away from New York, Dubai and Shanghai etc. If you can find all the data for Tokyo then please list it here, it would be interesting to see. I only complied and updated the London list as it is easy to find reliable and precise information of all London's tall buildings. I'd also suggest if the frequent updates of London's high rises bothers you that much, why don't you update the Tokyo threads yourself?
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Old March 12th, 2015, 02:37 AM   #447
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An Update on Melbourne, Australia:

Completed

1.Eureka Tower 297m
2. 120 Collins Street 265m
3. 101 Collins Street 260m
4. Prima Tower 254m
5. Rialto Towers 251m
6. Bourke Place 224m
7. Telstra Corporate Building 218m
8. Melbourne Central 211m
9. Freshwater Place Tower 1 205m
10. Abode 318 188m
11. Sofitel Hotel - Collins Place 185m
12. ANZ Tower - Collins Place 185m
13. 80 Collins Street 182m
14. MY80 173m
15. 385 Bourke Street 169m
16. Zen Apartments 168m
17. 530 Collins Street 167m
18. Casselden Place 166m
19. Ernst & Young Plaza 165m
20. SX Stage 1 163m
21. Royal Domain Tower 162m
22. ANZ World Headquarters 162m
23. National Bank House 161m
24. 2 Southbank Boulevard 161m
25. Verve 501 Swanston Tower 159m
26. Upper West Side Tower 2 156m
27. Optus Centre 153m
28. Crown Towers 152m
29. 140 William Street 152m
30. Urban Workshop Lonsdale 150m
31. Upper West Side Tower 1 147m
32. Argus Centre 144m
33. QV 143m
34. 360 Collins Street 142m
35. Yarras Edge Tower 5 134m
36. 1 Spring Street 132m
37. IBM Australia 131m
38. 459 Collins Street 131m
39. 200 Queen Street 130m
40. Bank Apartments 130m
41. Wrap Southbank
42. 333 Collins Street 129m
43. Victoria Point 128m
44. Neo 200 on Spencer 128m
45. Melbourne Star 128 m
46. Mainpoint 127m
47. BHP Billiton Centre 127m
48. Vogue 126m
49. Oaks on William 126m
50. Milano Apartments 123m
51. 181 William Street 123m
52. Melbourne Tower 122m
53. City Tower 122m
54. 183 City road 122m
55. Southbank One 122m
56. Marland House 121m
57. Republic Tower 120m
58. Epic Apartments 120m
59. 303 Collins Street 120m
60. Melbourne Sky 116m
61. La Banque 112m
62. Habitat 109m
63. Tiara Southbank 107m
64. 109 Clarendon Street 106m
65. Convesso Tower One 104m
66. Yarras Edge Tower 3 104m
67. 27 Little Collins Street 103
68. 720 Bourke Street 100m
69. Istana 100m


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I know it's a 100m thread, I'm the thread starter.

First of all I didn't say that Toronto has the #2 skyline outside Asia, I clearly said "Toronto looks destined to be the #2 skyline outside Asia by the decade's close." Please read what's actually written.

Secondly, I didn't think it needed explaining but looking at one metric doesn't tell the whole story. Sao Paulo is testament to the fact that one can have a lot of 100m+ buildings but not a very impressive skyline. I had to bring up other criteria like 200m+ buildings because you argued that I'd overlooked Sao Paulo when making my statement. I had not.

Thirdly, Toronto has a larger skyline than Sao Paulo by every measure. If you prefer Sao Paulo that's fine, but it's not bigger. Go look at the data. Here I'll get you started. This is just one data table courtesy of SSP. Even if one counts as low down as 50m Toronto comes out on top:

Number of 50m+ Buildings Built
Toronto 1205
Sao Paulo 505

Here's another resource you might want to look over first. Toronto is currently 3rd largest outside Asia behind New York and Chicago only: http://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html
Toronto is definitely beasting Chicago at the moment in terms of development that's for sure, but keep in mind Chicago's skyline is around double the size of Toronto's and quite a bit taller on average so it could take more than a few years to catch up, especially once Chicago's larger projects get off the ground.

That being said Toronto will definitely be #3, rivaled maybe (to a lesser extent) by future Miami and San Francisco and a few other USA skylines.
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Melbourne
Completed: at least 75
Under construction: 10 above 150m
Proposed/Approved: 41 over 150m

This will change as I find new information
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Might want to do a bit more research…

Where’d you get the 75 figure from?

And it’s 7 towers over 150m that are UC and 46 proposed (that is, not in any form of construction or demolition) over 150m
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Here's the latest from Sydney thanks to Sky_Is_The_Limit who posted this in the ozscrapers section:

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3 x 250m+
11 x 200m+
23 x 150m+
68 x 100m+

Note - this is not exclusively a list of NEW buildings above 100m as some existing buildings on sites (including Greenland Centre, Quay Quarter Tower, 1 Alfred Street, 60 Martin Place, 59 Goulburn Street) are already 100m+, however future modifications will see height increases, hence they are included in the list.

I have added:
- Solstice in Parramatta

I have also updated the status and heights for several projects.

I have not updated the height for 37 Pitt Street because no updated information is publicly available. 37 Pitt Street remains 200m on this list (as is currently approved).

TOP 4 BY LOCATION:
PARRAMATTA - 21
CBD - 18
BARANGAROO - 7
ST LEONARDS - 5

Let me know of any corrections


AS AT MARCH 18 2015

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NAME             LOCATION      HEIGHT     LEVELS      STATUS 
CROWN TOWERS     BARANGAROO    271M       70          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
ONE SYD HBR T1   BARANGAROO    265M       70          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
505 GEORGE ST    CBD           264M       78          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
GREENLAND CENTRE CBD           236M       68          STAGE 2 APPROVED
182 GEORGE ST    CBD           235M       60          CONCEPT
ASPIRE           PARRAMATTA    233M       ??          CONCEPT
PARRAMATTA SQ T2 PARRAMATTA    220M       ??          STAGE 1 APPROVED
INT TOWER 1      BARANGAROO    217M       49          UNDER CONSTRUCTION
QUAY QUARTER TWR CBD           209M       49          STAGE 1 APPROVED
ONE SYD HBR T2   BARANGAROO    217M       60          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
37 PITT ST       CBD           200M       ??          STAGE 1 APPROVED
PARRAMATTA SQ T3 PARRAMATTA    195M       ??          STAGE 1 APPROVED
CENTRAL T1       ST LEONARDS   190M       55          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
1 ALFRED STREET  CBD           187M       55          STAGE 2 APPROVED
142 MACQUARIE T1 PARRAMATTA    180M       60          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
INT TOWER 2      BARANGAROO    178M       43          TOPPED OUT
ALTITUDE T1      PARRAMATTA    177M       55          UNDER CONSTRUCTION
TATTERSALLS TOWERCBD           168M       48          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
CENTRAL T2       ST LEONARDS   168M       48          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
INT TOWER 3      BARANGAROO    168M       39          UNDER CONSTRUCTION
33 BLIGH STREET  CBD           165M       30          STAGE 2 APPROVED
200 GEORGE ST    CBD           155M       35          UNDER CONSTRUCTION
SOUTHBANK        PARRAMATTA    152M       41          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
100 MOUNT STREET NORTH SYDNEY  149M       38          STAGE 2 APPROVED
GATEWAY T1       PARRAMATTA    142M       40          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
45 VICTOR STREET CHATSWOOD     141M       42          CONCEPT
184 GEORGE ST    PARRAMATTA    138M       43          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
SOLSTICE         PARRAMATTA    138M       45          STAGE 2 PROPOSED
60 MARTIN PLACE  CBD           138M       ??          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
504 PACIFIC HWY  ST LEONARDS   138M       37          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
YORK & GEORGE    CBD           137M       40          STAGE 2 APPROVED
CENTRAL T3       ST LEONARDS   137M       38          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
116 MACQUARIE ST PARRAMATTA    136M       42          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
DARLING ONE      DARLING HRBR  136M       40          PREPARATION
DARLING TWO      DARLING HRBR  136M       41          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
59 GOULBURN ST   CBD           135M       31          CONCEPT
WYNYARD PLACE    CBD           134M       34          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
11 HASSALL ST    PARRAMATTA    131M       41          STAGE 1 APPROVED
SOFITEL          DARLING HRBR  130M       38          PREPARATION
177-199 PACIFIC  NORTH SYDNEY  130M       32          UNDER CONSTRUCTION
DAVID JONES      CBD           130M       ??          CONCEPT
76-100 CHURCH ST PARRAMATTA    129M       39          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
CENTRIUM T1      CHATSWOOD     126M       38          UNDER CONSTRUCTION
1 DENISON ST     NORTH SYDNEY  125M       32          STAGE 2 APPROVED
130 ELIZABETH ST CBD           123M       38          STAGE 2 PROPOSED
116 MACQUARIE ST PARRAMATTA    120M       38          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
HERRING RD T1    MACQUARIE PK  120M       ??          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
HERRING RD T2    MACQUARIE PK  120M       ??          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
HERRING RD T3    MACQUARIE PK  120M       ??          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
116 BATHURST ST  CBD           118M       35          STAGE 2 PROPOSED 
OPAL             OLYMPIC PK    117M       34          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
142 MACQUARIE T2 PARRAMATTA    117M       32          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
472 PACIFIC HWY  ST LEONARDS   115M       34          STAGE 2 PROPOSED
V BY CROWN       PARRAMATTA    114M       29          UNDER CONSTRUCTION
9-25 C-WEALTH ST SYDNEY        112M       34          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
GATEWAY T2       PARRAMATTA    110M       ??          STAGE 1 PROPOSED 
19-31 PITT ST    CBD           110M       30          STAGE 1 APPROVED
37-39 SMITH ST   PARRAMATTA    110M      ~30          CONCEPT
ALTITUDE T2      PARRAMATTA    108M       33          UNDER CONSTRUCTION
CENTRIUM T2      CHATSWOOD     107M       33          UNDER CONSTRUCTION
55-57 GEORGE ST  PARRAMATTA    106M       31          STAGE 2 APPROVED
AUSTRALIA T2     OLYMPIC PK    104M       30          TOPPED OUT
ONE SYD HBR T3   BARANGAROO    104M       30          STAGE 1 PROPOSED
189 MACQUARIE T1 PARRAMATTA    103M       30          PREPARATION
189 MACQUARIE T2 PARRAMATTA    103M       30          PREPARATION
SITE 8A          GREEN SQUARE  103M       24          STAGE 1 APPROVED
NORFOLK ST T1    LIVERPOOL    ~100M      ~30          STAGE 2 APPROVED
80 PITT ST       CBD          ~100M       ??          CONCEPT

LEGEND
CONCEPT - Project is known about and building envelope has been drafted but plans yet to be submitted
STAGE 1 PROPOSED - DA for building envelope proposed
STAGE 1 APPROVED - DA for building envelope approved
STAGE 2 PROPOSED - DA for design proposed
STAGE 2 APPROVED - DA for design approved
PREPARATION
UNDER CONSTRUCTION
TOPPED OUT
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Shanghai had 1,463 buildings over 100m/ 30 storeys in 2013 (second to HK), but growing at 100-250 per year, so 1600? today. It also has somewhere between 14,479 and 31,018 buildings that constitute a highrise (12 storeys), which makes it the world leader by far.

At it's lowest possible threshold it's still multiple times more highrise than either HK or NYC, though has less skyscrapers (>150m).


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Toronto is definitely beasting Chicago at the moment in terms of development that's for sure, but keep in mind Chicago's skyline is around double the size of Toronto's and quite a bit taller on average so it could take more than a few years to catch up, especially once Chicago's larger projects get off the ground.

That being said Toronto will definitely be #3, rivaled maybe (to a lesser extent) by future Miami and San Francisco and a few other USA skylines.
I agree 100% with your comment.
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Toronto is definitely beasting Chicago at the moment in terms of development that's for sure, but keep in mind Chicago's skyline is around double the size of Toronto's and quite a bit taller on average so it could take more than a few years to catch up, especially once Chicago's larger projects get off the ground.
I agree, Chicago has much more variety of styles and height than Toronto. At the current rate there is a lot going on in Toronto. However 5 years is not going to cut it. If the mega asian skylines Chongqing, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Singapore have yet to surpass Chi town what makes Toronto so special? This is coming from a Toronto native and current resident.
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I argued that Toronto could be the #2 skyline outside Asia by 2020, up from 3rd largest today. Chongqing, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Singapore are in Asia so my argument stands. Secondly, a few of them will pass Chicago's skyline in size; Shenzhen already has.

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Toronto is definitely beasting Chicago at the moment in terms of development that's for sure, but keep in mind Chicago's skyline is around double the size of Toronto's and quite a bit taller on average so it could take more than a few years to catch up, especially once Chicago's larger projects get off the ground.
Of course it could take more than a few years for Toronto to catch up to Chicago but my conclusion was based on what the data says. The data suggest it will happen around 2020.... like I contended. Perceptions aren't based on anything concrete. Data, conversely, is the only solid thing one can form a conclusion on.

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That being said Toronto will definitely be #3, rivaled maybe (to a lesser extent) by future Miami and San Francisco and a few other USA skylines.
The data indicates that Miami's skyline would have to double in size to rival Toronto's while San Francisco's would need to triple in size..... and that's if Toronto built nothing.
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Of course it could take more than a few years for Toronto to catch up to Chicago but my conclusion was based on what the data says. The data suggest it will happen around 2020.... like I contended. Perceptions aren't based on anything concrete. Data, conversely, is the only solid thing one can form a conclusion on.
Did you put contingencies on the data for delayed projects? Toronto with current active construction is ~60 +150m. Toronto doesn't cancel projects but some can really stall and drag on especially in the proposal and sales phases. Which I assume literally make up half of your data.

Just think 60 more +150m in 5 more years. So Toronto will break-ground and top out 12 more +150m every year for 5 years straight with the existing 15 ish projects slated for completion in the next few years? Put another way 80 +150m in 5 years? Recent data shows we complete around 3-4 +150m every year, it could elevate to 5-6 and possibly 6-7 after 5 or so years but not 16 every year for the next 5. Even 8 every year is a little too optimistic. I would say somewhere between 2025-2030 is a good estimate.
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Did you put contingencies on the data for delayed projects? Toronto with current active construction is ~60 +150m. Toronto doesn't cancel projects but some can really stall and drag on especially in the proposal and sales phases. Which I assume literally make up half of your data.

Just think 60 more +150m in 5 more years. So Toronto will break-ground and top out 12 more +150m every year for 5 years straight with the existing 15 ish projects slated for completion in the next few years? Put another way 80 +150m in 5 years? Recent data shows we complete around 3-4 +150m every year, it could elevate to 5-6 and possibly 6-7 after 5 or so years but not 16 every year for the next 5. Even 8 every year is a little too optimistic. I would say somewhere between 2025-2030 is a good estimate.
Yes I took into account delays and projects on hold. Most proposals in this city tend to get shovels in the ground in 2-3 years from the time they're submitted. Then it's another 2 years before they top out so 4-5 years in total. That would bring us to 2020. Maybe 20-30% would fall outside of that time frame. U Condos was painfully slow and that was roughly 6 years from when it was proposed to topping out. Even if my 20-30% figure is wrong and it's closer to 50% of proposals taking longer than 5 years (like you contend) the gap will vanish entirely.

Here's the data. People can conclude what they may from it. Predictions are what they are but I'd argue that there won't be much separating the 2 skylines 5 years from now. Even excluding proposals altogether the current inventory of 'definitely happening' (Built + Under Construction) would bring the Toronto skyline a lot closer than people think.

Toronto (Not including Mississauga)

100-199m
Built: 180
Under Construction: 49
Proposals: 113

200-299m
Built: 13
Under Construction: 8
Proposals: 17

300m+
Built: 0
Under Construction: 0
Proposals: 3


Chicago

100-199m
Built: 276
Under Construction: 9
Proposals: 25

200-299m
Built: 23
Under Construction: 2
Proposals: 6

300m+
Built: 4
Under Construction: 0
Proposals: 3
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Toronto (Not including Mississauga)

100-199m
Built: 180
Under Construction: 49
Proposals: 113

200-299m
Built: 13
Under Construction: 8
Proposals: 17

300m+
Built: 0
Under Construction: 0
Proposals: 3


Chicago

100-199m
Built: 276
Under Construction: 9
Proposals: 25

200-299m
Built: 23
Under Construction: 2
Proposals: 6

300m+
Built: 4
Under Construction: 0
Proposals: 3
CTBUH says they Chicago has these numbers. I'm guessing you took occupied heights? (Rigs it more in Toronto's favor) Ditto of the accuracy of the U/C and Pro numbers.

Chicago

100-199m
Built: 276 299
Under Construction: 9
Proposals: 25

200-299m
Built: 23 28
Under Construction: 2
Proposals: 6

300m+
Built: 4 6
Under Construction: 0
Proposals: 3

Also around 40-50 of the +100 buildings U/C and Com in Toronto are not even in the Main Yorkdale-Financial-Southcore-Entertainment District skyline but scattered some distance away from the main cluster in suburban centers. So including those is kinda padding things a bit because they are not really part of the "skyline" as per say. Skylines should be based on where they start or end not some arbitrary line at Steeles Ave. Toronto ain't forming a Tokyo, Shenzhen, Shanghai skyscraper mega-sea any time soon, so those are out of the picture. Chicago has literally every +100m building in the downtown skyline. Except like 3 maybe but that is just nitpicking.

So I still don't see Toronto's "skyline" surpassing (all kill in every threshold below 300m) Chi-towns numbers by the end of the decade. Even if it does, so what?
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Counting spires and antennae can skew data significantly so I use SSP data using roof heights. Is First Canadian Place 355m or 298m? 298m is a far more representative height of the actual building. Including spires and antennae reduces the integrity of data. Chicago has 4 super talls built. You adding Franklin Center (270m) and Two Prudential Plaza (279m) to increase the count to 6 is a good case in point.

Very few of Toronto's 100m+ buildings are outside of that main skyline as I excluded Mississauga. Did you even go through to check? If you did you'd have known that. You seem to be going to great lengths to validate your deeply held convictions rather than taking an objective look at the data.

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So I still don't see Toronto's "skyline" surpassing (all kill in every threshold below 300m) Chi-towns numbers by the end of the decade. Even if it does, so what?
Like I very clearly stated, I've merely presented the data (and the most representative imo) and people can conclude what they may from it. You see it one way, I another. Your last quip is a bit rich though. Of course it doesn't matter whether Toronto's skyline closes the gap by 2020 but for someone who professes not to be interested in the analysis you certainly 'wasted' a great deal of time attempting to refute it.
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