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Old June 20th, 2013, 03:55 AM   #141
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Thanks for all your commendable efforts in building up this very topical thread, isaidso.

Please don't stop at it.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 05:33 AM   #142
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Completed
Kuala Lumpur 190
The outdated CTBUH listed Kuala Lumpur to have 244 of buildings +100m completed, how it became decrease to only 190 in your list?

p/s: I just realised that a lot of cities had decreased no. of buildings in your list compared to CTBUH list. I wonder what is your source?

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Old June 20th, 2013, 08:20 AM   #143
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That i think where all the forumers from their respective city should contribute based on their knowledge and facts and everything on the lists will be perfect and reliable.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 08:22 AM   #144
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forumer that has the complete lists should be the source.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 02:45 PM   #145
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Some German cities


Cologne
Com: 10
U/C: -
Pro: 3

Berlin
Com: 10
U/C: 1
Pro: 9

Hamburg
Com: 2
U/C: 1
Pro: 2

Munich
Com: 6
U/C: -
Pro: -

Bonn
Com: 2
U/C: -
Pro: 1

Offenbach
Com: 1
U/C: -
Pro: -

Leipzig
Com: 1
U/C: -
Pro: -

Augsburg
Com: 1
U/C: -
Pro: -

Ludwigshafen
Com: 1
U/C: -
Pro: -

Timmendorfer Strand
Com: 1
U/C: -
Pro: -

Jena
Com: 1
U/C: -
Pro: -

Mannheim
Com: 1
U/C: -
Pro: -

Nuremberg
Com: 1
U/C: -
Pro: 2

Düsseldorf
Com: 4
U/C: -
Pro: 4

Dortmund
Com: -
U/C: -
Pro: 1

Essen
Com: 2
U/C: -
Pro: -

Bremerhaven
Com: 1
U/C: -
Pro: -

Frankfurt
Com: 29
U/C: 3
Pro: 19 -> please edit



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Old June 20th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #146
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'univer': if you could give me your updates in this format it would make editing much easier. Post what we currently have, then post what it should be. Otherwise I have to search through each of the 4 lists for each city to see if it corresponds, make deletions when needed, additions when needed, etc. It's very tedious.

So according to your updates and what was currently in the lists we now have these numbers:

Hanoi
Completed: 66
Under construction: 43
Proposed: 0

Saigon
Completed: 61
Under construction: 19
Proposed: 0

Chongqing
Completed: 226
Under construction: 20
Proposed: 18

Beijing
Completed: 172
Under construction: 3
Proposed: 7

Tianjin
Completed: 131
Under construction: 86
Proposed: 47

Dalian
Completed: 93
Under construction: 12
Proposed: 11

Wuhan
Completed: 79
Under construction: 11
Proposed: 22

Shenyang
Completed: 78
Under construction: 30
Proposed: 20
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Old June 20th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #147
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^ It's Yekaterinburg, not "Yaterinburg"..
Ooops... fixed!

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One of the reasons I believe the list isn't worth anything at all. It is very likely that 90% + of the cities on the list so far are wrong to a very significant degree.
So the entire list "isn't worth anything at all" according to you because the data from some cities is incomplete? If you're going to be so negative and it has zero value why are you frequenting this thread?

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Thanks for all your commendable efforts in building up this very topical thread, isaidso.

Please don't stop at it.
Thanks for your support 'n20'. I'm trying my best and the list is only going to be as good as the data people are providing. Most of it is pretty close to the actual figure, but am hoping for better Chinese data at some point. It's a work in progress.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 06:17 PM   #148
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wow, chinese cities are monsters...so huge and undeniably great skylines.
Agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see 6 of the top 10 Chinese cities in 9-10 years.

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The outdated CTBUH listed Kuala Lumpur to have 244 of buildings +100m completed, how it became decrease to only 190 in your list?

p/s: I just realised that a lot of cities had decreased no. of buildings in your list compared to CTBUH list. I wonder what is your source?
A lot of the data is coming from SSP. When there's an obvious discrepancy with a link showing the more accurate number, edits are made. Btw, this is a roof height list so buildings that are only 100m+ due to a spire or architectural feature aren't included. If you find a good source that lists different figures, please feel free to post the link.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #149
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So the entire list "isn't worth anything at all" according to you because the data from some cities is incomplete? If you're going to be so negative and it has zero value why are you frequenting this thread?
Sorry if this sounded a bit harsh, I'm defo on your side isaidso and share your passion for such stats (which is the reason why I'm that honest about my feelings here), I don't want to 'bash' the list and I really appreciate the hard work you've done here so far. But still, I don't think that the majority of numbers given here is even only about right..
The stats for the Chinese cities for example are almost entirely much too low (btw, that seems to be the case for many non-Chinese cities in Asia as well, I also have my doubts for some smaller cities with numbers appearing too high). As univer already explained the numbers he found on CTBUH are from 2010.. I think you know what has happened there since then? PLUS the 2010 CTBUH list is most likely much too low itself...
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Old June 20th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #150
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That is why we need everyone to contribute and help instead of criticizing.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #151
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Sorry if this sounded a bit harsh, I'm defo on your side isaidso and share your passion for such stats (which is the reason why I'm that honest about my feelings here), I don't want to 'bash' the list and I really appreciate the hard work you've done here so far. But still, I don't think that the majority of numbers given here is even only about right..
The stats for the Chinese cities for example are almost entirely much too low (btw, that seems to be the case for many non-Chinese cities in Asia as well, I also have my doubts for some smaller cities with numbers appearing too high). As univer already explained the numbers he found on CTBUH are from 2010.. I think you know what has happened there since then? PLUS the 2010 CTBUH list is most likely much too low itself...
Ok, it was just very deflating to hear after I put so much time and effort into it. I'm under no illusions that the list has errors, deficiencies, and large discrepancies for Chinese cities in particular.

The Australian, US, Canadian, Japanese, and European data is quite good for the most part. I'd rather start from there and try to improve what's not than discard the whole thing. I do think there's value in the lists despite the obvious shortcomings.

I did make exceptions for Chinese cities by not insisting on roof heights just to get a better figure. Hopefully, the thread will spur some of our Chinese members to fill in the blanks for us rather than having to continually rely on 'estimates'. It will take a huge amount of work on their part, but someone has to do it. It can't be me, I wouldn't have a clue how to do it.

At this point, it's better to input a number for the big Chinese skylines than nothing at all. I've also tried to stress that the list is meant to be a rough gauge of what exists around the world as exact numbers will be difficult.

Thank you for your reply. I'll keep plugging away.
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Old June 21st, 2013, 03:14 AM   #152
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Warsaw


100 +m:

Completed: 16 buildings
Under construction: 3 buildings
Proposed: 8


Wrocław

Completed: 1
Under construction: 0
Proposed: 0


Szczecin


Completed: 0
Under construction: 1
Proposed: 0


Gdynia

Completed: 1
Under construction: 0
Proposed: 0


Katowice


Completed: 2
Under construction: 0
Proposed: 4


Łódź

Completed: 0
Under construction: 0
Proposed: 2
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Old June 21st, 2013, 10:30 AM   #153
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'univer': if you could give me your updates in this format it would make editing much easier. Post what we currently have, then post what it should be. Otherwise I have to search through each of the 4 lists for each city to see if it corresponds, make deletions when needed, additions when needed, etc. It's very tedious.
Indeed, SSP source listed all building 100m+ by roof hieght , but it's too inaccurate for Asian cities. CTBUH data is less inaccurate than SSP for Asian cities(especially Chinese cities).
http://www.ctbuh.org/HighRiseInfo/Ta...B/Default.aspx

However, these data isn't in roof height and it dates in 2010 (some Asian cities built more than 100 new building since 2010)

So, is what we currently have in CTBUH data 2010
Completed Building at the end of 2010
Seoul 247 (exclude Incheon,Goyang,Seongnam)
Kuala lumpur 244
Singapore 238
Macau 131
Chengdu 81
Qingdao 68
Xiamen 63
Hangzhou 62

http://www.ctbuh.org/HighRiseInfo/Ta...B/Default.aspx
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Guangzhou : 175 ; Wuhan : 171 ; Shenzhen : 155.
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so, I will explain my estimation for building 100m+ in Chinese cities:

Shanghai have 847 building above 30 floors in 2008
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...7&postcount=15
So if we consider 30 floors= 100m. Shanghai has 847 building 100m+ completed in 2008. We know Shanghai construction boom(100m+) began in 1988-1989 (SSP source). Then 847 building / 20 years ( between 1988 and 2008). => In a year,Shanghai has average 42 new 100m+ building .
So in period 2009-2013 (5 years) : 210 new building above 100m

So 100m+ building completed in Shanghai is about 1057 building !


For Guangzhou is little different. We know there are 360 building completed in early 2005.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=417065
Construction boom for 100m+ building began in 1995-1996 (pre-1995 there are about 40 building 100m+). Then in 9 years(1996-2004): 320 building is completed. Then in period 2005-2013, if the same number of building 100m+ was built( probably higher) . So Guangzhou completed building 100m+ is approximately 700 now
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Thanks very much. I'll be back tonight to edit.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 11:11 PM   #156
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London

Com: 51 (Tallest: The Shard (310m) )
U/C: 10 (Tallest: The Pinnacle (288m) )
Pro: 29 (Tallest: The Three Spires (253m) )

(I'll just list here any other stuff they've got)

App: 50 (Tallest: Columbus Tower (237m) )
Cancelled: 24 (Tallest: London Millennium Tower (386m) )
Demo: 2 (Tallest: Both (100m) )
Visionary: 16 (Tallest: Mile High Eco Tower (1500m) )
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Old June 30th, 2013, 09:12 AM   #157
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MUMBAI

source - Wikipedia + SSC Mumbai city forum + Local information
plz note that the majority of the builders/developers in Mumbai don't reveal the height of the buildings. As a result height of almost half of the buildings in Mumbai are unknown. Also i thnk about 1/4th of the skyscrapers projects are not reported here...

Anyway here is the list ~ 100m+ ~

Completed______________ 131 (tallest - Imperial tower, 254m)
Under construction ______ 200+ (tallest - World one, 442m)

Approved ______________ 150+ (tallest - Shreepati gardens, 400m)
Proposed/On hold _______ 50-100/20-40 [appx] (India tower 720m)

100M+ in 2000 _________ less than 20
100M+ in 2008 _________ less than 50
100M+ in 2012 _________ 131
100M+ in 2020 _________ 500 (appx)
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Floor count of 30 taken into account for those buildings whose height is not available.
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A very rough look at what might be in 5-6 years.

Completed, Construction, Proposed
An approved building is more likely to get built than a proposed building. Proposed buildings have to go through approvals from authorities..and may get rejected. So u need to consider Approved than proposed or either add both the categories.
Also one thing the list is not correct in terms of Asian cities. I can gurantee you that. Emporis and CTBUH are not at all reliable sources for Asian cities, so i never follow them. They are goog for American, European and Australian cities though.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #160
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COM

Torre Málaga --- 120 m --- 34 --- 2006 --- residential

Oscar Fuganti --- 108 m --- 32 --- 1998 --- office

Torre Valverde --- 107 m --- 28 --- residential

Torre Madri --- 102 m --- 27 --- residential


T/O

Torre Alicante --- 130 m --- 37 --- 2013 --- residential

Torre Pietra --- 114 m --- 30 --- 2014 --- office


U/C

Maison Héritage --- 146 m --- 40 --- 2014 --- residential



Only Oscar Fuganti is located Downtown. All the others are on Gleba Palhano, the booming district across the lakes.

Not listed on Emporis, but I believe they're just above 100 m:

Palhano Premium (U/C)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1157495.

Jardim Sul (U/C)

Pierrotlefou

Both are office buildings, located on Gleba Palhano.

Also, on Gleba Palhano, there is L'Essence (COM / residential):


So in Londrina, we have 4 or 5 completed, 2 T/O and 1 or 3 U/C.


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P.S. São Paulo figures are likely to be way higher. There are many many residential buildings just above 100 m popping up everywhere.
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