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Old June 11th, 2014, 01:22 PM   #21
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Finally a full render

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...campaign=sm_tw

In fact, go to this part of the link for multiple renders. I'll try to post the actual pictures later.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...J/picture.html
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Old June 12th, 2014, 08:22 AM   #22
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Old June 12th, 2014, 09:21 AM   #23
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I'd like to believe NIMBY's wouldn't complain about the height with the Pru right next door, but there is a sense of entitlement in the Back Bay, so we'll see. If this and Copley get built, combined with Millenium, Government Center Garage redevelopment, Nashua St...we may see a dramatic improvement in the skyline over the next few years. It is nice to see more than one project proposed over 600 ft. As I have said before, I will remain cautiously optimistic. When I see piles being driving into the ground and steel rising, then I will be excited.
What is your definition of 'improvement'? Boston is not Manhattan.
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Old June 12th, 2014, 09:24 AM   #24
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That is one of the most beautiful parts of Boston. That tower is like a visitor from Manhattan (where it would fit beautifully) plunged right in the middle of a plaza and surrounding buildings that are in harmony (or have been...).

It is so tall that it will overshadow everything. When will the promoters of skyscrapers in Boston realize that it is NOT a city for skyscrapers.
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Old June 12th, 2014, 09:30 AM   #25
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None, I imagine, unless your definition of science includes Christian Science. This is simply being built at the site of The First Church of Christ, Scientist, the Christian Science HQ. Check it out on Google maps; it's a really beautiful spot.
Christian Science is not Christian in any orthodox theological sense. The term was included because it was more acceptable to Boston's 'uppers' in the mid-19th century.

Today it has almost completely disappeared. But its Boston headquarters is an imposing and very handsome building - inside and out - and the church is and always has been absolutely loaded. The upper Boston families are not known for spending their money. It just keeps accumulating, and the Christian Science Church is one of the beneficiaries. (Some irony because they don't believe the material world is real)
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Old June 13th, 2014, 03:12 AM   #26
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That is one of the most beautiful parts of Boston. That tower is like a visitor from Manhattan (where it would fit beautifully) plunged right in the middle of a plaza and surrounding buildings that are in harmony (or have been...).

It is so tall that it will overshadow everything. When will the promoters of skyscrapers in Boston realize that it is NOT a city for skyscrapers.
Well it's literally across the street from the second tallest building in the city, so I don't see how it could "overshadow everything around it".

You are right about one thing: Boston isn't Manhattan (thank God). However there are two (arguable three) spots in this city that are reserved for high rises and skyscrapers: the Back Bay, the Financial District, and the West End.

This proposal is for the former location, which has been the epicenter for tall buildings and high rises in Boston since the late 1960s.

So I personally think that this building works perfectly at this location and at this height.
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Old June 13th, 2014, 03:56 AM   #27
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Well it's literally across the street from the second tallest building in the city, so I don't see how it could "overshadow everything around it".

You are right about one thing: Boston isn't Manhattan (thank God). However there are two (arguable three) spots in this city that are reserved for high rises and skyscrapers: the Back Bay, the Financial District, and the West End.

This proposal is for the former location, which has been the epicenter for tall buildings and high rises in Boston since the late 1960s.

So I personally think that this building works perfectly at this location and at this height.
The financial district, yes - but Back Bay should not be in a state of permanent development.

Back Bay will be unrecognizable as these plans become more and more ambitious. That part of Boston is known and loved not only for its buildings but for its wide plazas and small open areas. You have Boston next to your name - you know it yourself.

I love BOTH NYC and Manhattan. But Boston is a city of the 17th and 18th centuries and has an integrity that is being disregarded. Of course this will bring in revenue. And there is nothing that can be done about it. I would like an administration that has more respect for and awareness of the city's unique identity.
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Old June 13th, 2014, 04:47 AM   #28
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This looks incredible. 60 stories, 699 feet to the roof. Should break 700 in total. Here's a cool graphic the Boston Globe put together showing what's currently under construction or approved:


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Old June 13th, 2014, 05:10 AM   #29
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It seems like kind of a massive stretch to say that Back Bay is in a state of permanent development. This is the first project in this area, of its scale since, well, either the Pru or Hancock, depending on if you consider the latter in Back Bay. Don't be such a silly nimby; there are still huge swathes of land on all sides of this development that look essentially the same as they have for hundreds of years. And few cities are able to remain totally "of" a time period without having serious problems in terms of future livelihood.

That this is going up shows how well Boston is doing, and believe me, having lived in Cleveland for a year, it's a happy reminder of what a vibrant, thriving city looks like. Besides, architecturally, you could hardly call it avant-garde.
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Old June 13th, 2014, 06:17 AM   #30
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The financial district, yes - but Back Bay should not be in a state of permanent development.

Back Bay will be unrecognizable as these plans become more and more ambitious. That part of Boston is known and loved not only for its buildings but for its wide plazas and small open areas. You have Boston next to your name - you know it yourself.
Only the part of Back Bay that is north of Boylston street is known for its plazas and open areas.

The most memorable part of Back Bay between Boylston and the South End is the large indoor mall at Prudential/Copley Place. Otherwise this part of the Back Bay is (for the most part) ugly, inhospitable, and forgettable.

This tower won't do anything to harm the quiet brick streets that make Back Bay so quaint, beautiful, and iconic. On the other hand it might make the southern part of the back bay livelier and/or more aesthetically pleasing.

The only issue could be how this development effects the reflecting pool area, which really is the only nice place in the Back Bay south of Boylston. However, the side of the pool near which this tower will be built is already surrounded by the pru, by 555 Huntington, and the original Christian Science center tower. Also the shadows should fall east/west so the shadows from this tower shouldn't fall on the area around the pool. So hopefully this development won't alter that area negatively...
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Another good rendering from the Globe story:



And my version...I added Simon's Copley Place tower for shits and giggles.

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Back Bay will be unrecognizable as these plans become more and more ambitious.
The Back Bay that everyone recognizes is the land north Boylston, and that's all but preserved in amber; no amount of money will get around the historical protections slathered on that area, nor will NIMBY supergroup NABB (Neighborhood Association of the Back Bay) ever let anything of the sort happen.

And the stuff south of Boylston...who cares if it sees massive redevelopment? It was never particularly nice to begin with. The Prudential Center set the postwar tone for the area with its windswept hellscapes, and recent infill has only helped the area, not made it worse. Plus the hyperluxury crowd is already here, shopping on Newbury, not Downtown Crossing (ick). This area is primed for precisely these kind of developments.
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Great project. Boston's pathetic skyline needs this in the worst way!
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Great project. Boston's pathetic skyline needs this in the worst way!
It's not pathetic, just outdated. If we are measuring by 150m+ towers, it's still easily among the top cities in the Americas. But yes, I do agree with you that the skyline needs a shot in the arm, and it's finally getting those shots!
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The skyline is definitely pathetic- there's no denying it. It's all flat, ugly, forgettable buildings.

However, THIS plus the millenium project will do wonders.
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The skyline is definitely pathetic- there's no denying it. It's all flat, ugly, forgettable buildings.

However, THIS plus the millenium project will do wonders.
Height ceilings are painful in Boston. They should have bulldozed Milton and put the airport there.
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Boston NIMBYs are some of the worst worldwide. Be glad that anything is getting built.
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Does Boston have the closest int'l airport in the US to its downtown?
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I think San Diego and San Jose have it beat.
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The skyline is definitely pathetic- there's no denying it. It's all flat, ugly, forgettable buildings.

However, THIS plus the millenium project will do wonders.
Hmmm....Riiight.........


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