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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:15 AM   #61
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None of this is replacing any historical buildings. The street-level experience will remain unchanged or improved. Almost all of Boston's current construction is low and midrises.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:17 AM   #62
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Yes, the southern part of Back Bay will likely benefit. But I don't trust that it will stop there. The problem is that the area north of Boylston will be slowly overwhelmed. Boston doesn't have the space to build on that scale without large sections of the city being changed. You know that the neighborhoods are so close to each other that is possible to cover many of them on foot in one afternoon.

Boston is the one large city in this country with a strong sense of living history, preserved in its environment and atmosphere. It is sad to think of that dignity and quiet charm being destroyed. I don't see how it can survive.

If that makes me a nimby, so be it. Once it is gone it will never come back.
Nope. Back Bay north of Boylston has some of the toughest NIMBYs worldwide. Almost nothing new is ever going to be built there.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:25 AM   #63
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My personal take:

Rather bland, generic design. It is replacing an empty lot so I am still in favor. What's awesome about Boston is the street-level urbanity and the exquisite historic architecture; much better than most North American cities and similar to a European city. This will replace an empty lot with a hotel, so another small piece of the urban jigsaw puzzle that is the streets of Boston will be complete. The design is boring but this will enhance the "walkability" of Boston even further, by a small amount.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 06:34 AM   #64
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Boston doesn't have the space to build on that scale without large sections of the city being changed.
What exactly do you mean by this?

As someone posted above, Back Bay (north of Boylston) is Boston's crown jewel of a neighborhood in many ways.

Unless there's some kind of natural disaster, I don't think we'll see any building in that area torn down any time soon.


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It's possible there's an economic component as well. Maybe the real estate market in Boston can't support a skyscraper that attempts to rise to the level of the Custom House Tower in terms of detail or material, even if they use precast panels. So occasional small scale and low-rise projects have to maintain the sense of place. But there's not a single tower that rises above the rest that really captures the spirit and the look of the place, or the rich history.
But that's the thing: I don't think there are towers being built ANYWHERE in the world that would capture the spirit and history of Boston.

This tower that's being built at the Christian Science Center, the Millennium Tower downtown, the Freedom Tower, the Salesforce Tower, the Comcast Tower, the Shard, the Shanghai Tower, the Lotte Tower, the Oko towers, etc. ect. etc. are all just variations of a simple glass box/cone/cylinder.

They don't MAKE towers like the Custom House anymore.

So Boston needs to take what it can get, and as long as we aren't tearing anything down in the process, and as long as the tower isn't plopped right onto the middle of the Boston Common, then I see no problem with that.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 11:13 AM   #65
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Oh for Petes sake - in baseball yes - but as cities? This is not the Yanks vs the Sox. NYC is a world class city. Perhaps one of the two true world class cities with London. Boston cannot compete on that level. It shouldn't try. It is wonderful on its own.


Sparklers? So for more than three centuries before the Pru and the Hancock Boston did not look like a real city?
Boston quite easily surpasses New York City in terms of academic appeal (I'd argue the only cities which comes close to it is London), and it is a national financial center, arguably the country's third most important after New York and Chicago (although that's likely due to its relative proximity to New York itself).

The only non-quantitative measures where New York absolutely outguns Boston is in media presence and financial importance. We'd have to get in a about the weighting of qualitative v. quantitative measures to properly gauge the New York/Boston relationship, and though I won't argue that New York isn't more of a global city (obviously it is), Boston is still very much so a global city in the literal sense of the word. All it takes is an open-eyed stroll through Cambridge, downtown, or Back Bay to confirm this.

And yes; skylines are very important in terms of identifying a city as such in the modern consciousness. Boston has been lacking in that department in comparison to the big three of Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York.

And everyone else is very much so correct about your concern of Boston losing its historicity and historic architecture. Just like in New York's Upper East side, there's way, way too much money in Back Bay for that area to be touched.
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Old June 26th, 2014, 02:37 AM   #66
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Boston is an academic powerhouse of the US.

Top 100 US Universities in Boston's CSA:
Boston College, Chestnut Hill, MA #31
Boston University, Boston, MA #41
Brandeis University, Waltham, MA #32
Brown University, Providence, RI #14
Clark University, Worcester, MA #75
Harvard University, Cambridge, MA #2
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA #7
Northeastern University, Boston, MA #49
Tufts University, Medford, MA #28
University of New Hampshire, Durham, NH #97
Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA #62
BOSTON: 11/100 of US's Top 100 Unis.

New York:
Columbia University, New York, NY #4
Fordham University, New York, NY #57
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA #41
New York University, New York, NY #32
Princeton University, Princeton, NJ #1
Rutgers-The State University of New Jersey, New Brunswick, NJ #69
Stevens Institute of Technology, Hoboken, NJ #82
SUNY-Stony Brook, Stony Brook, NY #82
Yale University, New Haven, CT #3
Yeshiva University, New York, NY #47
NEW YORK: 10/100 of US's Top 100

So Boston beats New York even though New York has 3x the population. It's the preeminent academic hub of the US. And though New York has powerhouses like Columbia, Princeton and Yale, Boston matches with Harvard, MIT and Brown (to a lesser extent).
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Old June 27th, 2014, 01:53 AM   #67
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Good effort but I'm just gonna have to go and say that's a terrible comparison. Compare the urban schools directly. BC + BU + Northeastern + Harvard + MIT + Tufts + Brandeis + Emerson + Suffolk + MassArt + Berklee + Boston Conservatory + Simmons + literally dozens of others located in the urban core vs. Columbia + NYU + Fordham + Yeshiva. No one is ever going to claim Yale is in NY. Seriously what were you smoking?
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Old June 27th, 2014, 02:00 AM   #68
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I actually wish NYC (the city, not suburban areas 90 miles away) had more top ranked schools. Would be an incredible place to go to college. But top ranked mainstream colleges are limited to Columbia and NYU while Boston has BC, BU, Northeastern, Harvard, MIT, and Tufts.
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Can we knock off the city vs. city and keep to the topic?
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Old June 27th, 2014, 07:53 AM   #70
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Yes, please. My original intent was to mention Boston and New York's historical relationship, that in terms of architecture they had a similar composition with the exception of post-modern skyscrapers, and how this would change that.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 11:48 PM   #71
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lol Christian Science
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Old June 29th, 2014, 09:03 AM   #72
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religion is not scientific by definition.
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They just own the land for this plot..but their center is extremely nice architecturally..large reflecting pool between brutalist buildings and a historical church at one end. An architectural gem of Boston.



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religion is not scientific by definition.
yes but if everything was the definition of what it is alot would be different ,lets be rational aha
anyways why cant it be 1 ft taller and call it a 700 footer
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Has the Christian Science Church always owned that land? What was there before the modernist plaza? One interesting facet is the linden bosque, which is one of the most famous and early uses of an elevated pavement to allow better root growth.
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anyways why cant it be 1 ft taller and call it a 700 footer
From what I have heard, it's only 699' to the highest occupied floor. The frame extends beyond this to hide the mechanicals. Looks like it will be closer to around 725'.

Same thing for the U/C Millennium Tower in DTX. 625' is only to the highest occupied floor, and the mechanicals could put it over 650'.
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From what I have heard, it's only 699' to the highest occupied floor. The frame extends beyond this to hide the mechanicals. Looks like it will be closer to around 725'.

Same thing for the U/C Millennium Tower in DTX. 625' is only to the highest occupied floor, and the mechanicals could put it over 650'.
so really were looking at a tower that will have the same height as the prudential tower?
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Prep work has begun on the site of the taller Four Seasons Tower. The shorter tower began a few weeks ago.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 12:39 AM   #79
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Oooo very exciting! Can't wait to see these go up.
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Boston is really very very nice !!!!
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