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Old July 16th, 2013, 11:11 AM   #241
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In my experience, you can buy a ticket up to 5/10 minutes before departure, so long as your train isn't sold out.

It's a very good system
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Old July 16th, 2013, 11:54 AM   #242
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>boarding gates some 15-30 minutes before departure

Sounds like boarding for a flight to me
True, but boarding on a plane takes at least 30 minutes, and you don't need to check in the luggage when You travel by train. Boarding on a CRH starts usually exactly 15 mins before departure. Plus, the train is cheaper and way more comfortable.

As for Taiwan and Japan, there is way fewer people, and therefore it's easier to get a ticket.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 12:54 PM   #243
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As for Taiwan and Japan, there is way fewer people, and therefore it's easier to get a ticket.
Or is it the case that there are more trains?
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Old July 16th, 2013, 07:07 PM   #244
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>boarding gates some 15-30 minutes before departure

Sounds like boarding for a flight to me
A flight can never takeoff 15 minutes after boarding gate opens, also you cannot arrive at the airport 30 minutes before departure, while arriving at a HSR station 30 minutes early is plenty of time to buy some drinks and board your train.

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Or is it the case that there are more trains?
More train in Japan's case, less people in Taiwan's case.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 07:10 PM   #245
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For that to happen, a free and easy (preferably automatic) re-ticketing process for miss trains are required. Otherwise people will always show up early for those just-in-case situation. I usually show up at least half hour early for this reason.
I think arriving at the station 20-30 minutes early is fine, the problem is lots of people arrive at the station an hour early and just sit around like they used to do with conventional trains.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #246
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What are the load factors of Taiwan HSR, Shinkansen and CRH?

Is it safe to show up at CRH stations and plan on finding tickets for next train at ticket desk - neither sold out nor blocked by a queue at ticket desk that could cause to miss the next train?
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Old July 18th, 2013, 11:00 AM   #247
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73 second class, 117 first class.

learn to use baidu, you don't need to go a website, just type in the names of two stations, and train schedule and price will pop up...

http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=%E6%9D%AD%...A1%A5&ie=UTF-8
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Old July 18th, 2013, 10:25 PM   #248
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Is it safe to show up at CRH stations and plan on finding tickets for next train at ticket desk - neither sold out nor blocked by a queue at ticket desk that could cause to miss the next train?
Not safe at all, most lines during normal hours are pretty busy and chances are tickets are sold out long before you have arrived at the station. The vast majority of riders buy tickets from the kiosk and at larger stations there are probably over 100 machines so the lines are never terribly long. But if you are foreigner and needs to buy tickets with a passport you'll have to go to a manned window, which is a probably because it's jammed with people who can't use kiosks or confused about tickets, also in most stations they are not as conveniently located as the kiosks.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 08:28 AM   #249
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In Shanghai news says the previously largest station, Shanghai Railway Station's passenger volume has shrank over half at peak time due to the competition from HSR.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 09:32 AM   #250
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Hongqiao Station is a bit better than Beijing South but it's also a giant shopping mall and I see more people every time I visit.





holy shit! man... i can't belive it. how many capacity for this mega station?
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Old July 19th, 2013, 09:32 AM   #251
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In Shanghai news says the previously largest station, Shanghai Railway Station's passenger volume has shrank over half at peak time due to the competition from HSR.
Does it mean that in Shanghai it now is safe to walk to a ticket window and get a ticket, because they are no longer overloaded with queues?
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Old July 19th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #252
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I never did that before. My perception is that it's NOT safe to do that in any stations of this populous country.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 11:49 AM   #253
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 01:33 PM   #254
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^ How are the disabled suppose to get down? I've looked at several pics and I don't see any elevators for the handicapped.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 01:37 PM   #255
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^ How are the disabled suppose to get down? I've looked at several pics and I don't see any elevators for the handicapped.
Roll down the stairs, dumbass. That's how handicapped people roll anyways... ;D

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Catching a train in 10 minutes is close, but it'll do.

The queues are always jam-packed (especially in Taipei), and the automatic ticket vendors are weird (especially in Taipei), as some are online reservation only, some are credit-card only, but the denotations are very difficult to see. Sometimes they have separate queues for separate machines and it is possible to spend 4-5 minutes queuing for the wrong vendor. It won't be a problem if one is familiar with the Taipei layout, but if one is new, 15 minutes is a safe estimate.

The good news? THSR terminal dispatch frequency is 4 services per hour, or one every 15 minutes. If you have a smart phone, you can also use the automatic sensors (no more ticket queues!). I also remember one can purchase THSR tickets at 7-11 convenience stores as well.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 05:16 AM   #256
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holy shit! man... i can't belive it. how many capacity for this mega station?
The overall construction area (not including the airport part) is 1.3 mln sqm (5 floors), main waiting hall is 100,000 sqm. Design capacity is annual 52.72 mln for short term and 78.38 mln for long term.

It seems the newly opened Hangzhou East is at same size or bigger than Hongqiao.

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Old July 23rd, 2013, 07:44 AM   #257
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Does it mean that in Shanghai it now is safe to walk to a ticket window and get a ticket, because they are no longer overloaded with queues?
I did that about 3 times when I was in China. In the busier routes that would mean to need to skip 5 or 6 trains and have to wait ~2 hours before departure. (That was in Shenzhen, will not do again) For short hops however, this works as you don't have be to nervous about missing a train. I did that in places where I don't sure when to leave. (For example, when I climbed Taishan, I wasn't sure what time I would be get down from the mountain.) Had I brought all the tickets in advance, the entire visit would be a giant rush.

Btw, hmmwv is right about people who are confused about the tickets at manned windows. One time a guy was asking the so many questions, the ticket girl might as well recite the entire train schedule. I wonna go up there and smack him..

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Old July 23rd, 2013, 10:47 AM   #258
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The good news? THSR terminal dispatch frequency is 4 services per hour, or one every 15 minutes.
Thatīs an average between 5 at rush hour, 3 services off peak. The average off peak is one every 20 minutes - and say at Taipei, this includes gaps of 30 minutes.

And there is the distinction between express and non-express trains. If you miss a non-express train and an express train will not fit because it passes your destination, the average interval is naturally 30 minutes, and the bigger interval 36 minutes.

If what you miss is express train - then the next comes in 60 minutes. There is a non-express leaving 6 minutes after express, but it travels 24 minutes longer to the end. So arrives 30 minutes after the express you missed.
If you are 7 minutes late, and miss the nonexpress as well, then the next nonexpress leaves 30 minutes after the express, so the total delay at destination will be 54 minutes.
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