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Old November 24th, 2014, 06:17 PM   #2101
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I am not sure about New Yorks current supertall projects. There are projects I love (Tower Verre, Nordstrom Tower, Hudson Yards, Girasole, WTC 2&3), projects I am not sure I like them (One Vanderbuilt, 111 West 57th Street), projects which are nice but nothing special (Manhatten West) and projects I perceive ugly (432 Park Avenue, 125 Greenwich Street and 15 Penn Plaza). I am curious how the New York skyline will look in 2025.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #2102
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To me 432 is world most ugliest supertall, seriously an eyesore to beautiful NYC
Exactly what I was thinking as well...
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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:11 PM   #2103
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However to be fair 1 WTC was planned to have a stick that reaches 1776 feet. One of the reasons CTBUH ruling for the antennas not counting is because no building ever plans to have a communication antenna on them but you always plan have a spire. The idea is that buildings can't get taller when they retrofit or extend a comm tower on top of it somewhere down the line. First Canadian Place and Sears Tower never planned to have a com tower at the top. Plus antennas get extended all the time, like the Sears tower's antennas. So you could imagine that if antennas are included it would be a giant dick extending contest.
In other words, spires are part of the original design of the building.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #2104
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I am not sure about New Yorks current supertall projects. There are projects I love (Tower Verre, Nordstrom Tower, Hudson Yards, Girasole, WTC 2&3), projects I am not sure I like them (One Vanderbuilt, 111 West 57th Street), projects which are nice but nothing special (Manhatten West) and projects I perceive ugly (432 Park Avenue, 125 Greenwich Street and 15 Penn Plaza). I am curious how the New York skyline will look in 2025.
And that's exactly it. We just don't know how those (supertall) projects will eventually turn out. Given the history there are buildings which are better in reality, and some are worse than depicted in the renderings. So I say, let's enjoy the ride und judge later.

[Btw 125 Greenwhich's design is far from final and 432 PA will look better once the black netting comes off, the concrete gets cleaned, all glass panels are installed (+ getting rid of the protection film) and the mechanical levels illuminated.]
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Old November 24th, 2014, 08:03 PM   #2105
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125 Greenwich's design is not final? That is relief....
Btw. How is the chance that 15 Penn Plaza is getting build, isn't this tower proposed for years now?
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Old November 24th, 2014, 08:12 PM   #2106
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^ Yes, 125 GW's design will be different. I'm sure Mr. Shvo doesn't want to have another copy of 432 PA.
As for 15 Penn: well it's back online. Vornado first wanted to save Hotel Penn and therefore put the supertall project on ice. Now it's still unclear if the hotel will remain or not (or maybe they'll try to incorporate the facade somehow). But 15 Penn is back for sure, no doubt about it.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 11:48 PM   #2107
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I made a video about New York's supertall projecs:
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Old November 24th, 2014, 11:56 PM   #2108
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^ Very nice. You wouldn't believe it but a couple of hours ago I looked at your signature and wanted to ask you:"how about a NY vid?" And here it is!
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Old November 25th, 2014, 12:09 AM   #2109
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I used your list as a inspiration btw.
The reason why I didn't made a video about NYC earlier was that there are plenty sources (like your list or your wikipedia articel) where you can look up this projects without any problems to find them. But with all the recent projects I thought that it is time
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Old November 25th, 2014, 02:59 AM   #2110
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I used your list as a inspiration btw.
The reason why I didn't made a video about NYC earlier was that there are plenty sources (like your list or your wikipedia articel) where you can look up this projects without any problems to find them. But with all the recent projects I thought that it is time
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Old November 25th, 2014, 07:03 AM   #2111
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thought I would post an update on my 3D model of Toronto's skyline of the future. Red = proposed, Blue = Under Construction, Yellow = Condominiums currently in pre-construction sales. Essentially, if its yellow or blue, its going to happen. With red, likelihood ranges from fairly unlikely, to funded and ready to go but construction not yet having commenced.

Construction is defined by demolition of existing property or any sort of site activity.

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Old November 25th, 2014, 08:17 PM   #2112
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I wish we had someone to do this for Miami. Check out this list at the link to the CTBUH's Skyscraper Center below.

http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/inte...put%5B%5D=list
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Old November 27th, 2014, 03:08 AM   #2113
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thought I would post an update on my 3D model of Toronto's skyline of the future. Red = proposed, Blue = Under Construction, Yellow = Condominiums currently in pre-construction sales. Essentially, if its yellow or blue, its going to happen. With red, likelihood ranges from fairly unlikely, to funded and ready to go but construction not yet having commenced.
I spent the last year on the team designing one of those towers (cant say which). But it's in yellow. And the massing is wrong.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 04:43 AM   #2114
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the only one that I knowingly have an incorrect massing of is Auqavista right at the front (curvy building closest to the camera), it is based off of older preliminary renders and I didn't fix it until today.

other than a couple towers, its tough to make out the massing of the other yellow buildings, so idk what you could be talking about if it isn't auqavista.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 07:48 AM   #2115
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I'd missed your colour coded future Toronto models. Do you know what's happening with that multi-tower proposal for south of the Distillery District? I believe it would take up most of the green patch along the water front. Toronto's growth sure shows no signs of abating. This tally below puts things into perspective. The skyline could potentially double in size in just a few years:


NUMBER OF 100m+ BUILDINGS

Built: 203
Under Construction: 56
Proposed: 132


TOTAL: 391
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Old November 27th, 2014, 07:36 PM   #2116
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that project is pretty long range, probably still a decade away. Waterfront TO still needs to install a bunch of infrastructure to open up the lands for development. The current plans are pretty vague so I just left it out.
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Old November 28th, 2014, 06:45 AM   #2117
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Old December 1st, 2014, 05:35 AM   #2118
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I am just going to speak my mind and say that the Zhongnan Center should not exist in Suzhou. Suzhou is a great city, but a 700m building city it is not. Shanghai, Hong Kong, Beijing or Shenzhen should have a building of that scale. NOT Suzhou.
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^ Many cities nowadays (especially Chinese and Arab ones) first build their tallest building. So of course the Zhongnan Center in Suzhou will look totally out of place.
That's why I'm roothing for cities like Hong Kong, New York, Chicago etc. to build a 500m+ monster. They all have the density and lots of skyscraper and supertalls.
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If Bangkok is the best skyline by 2025, I'll eat my hat.
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