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Old February 27th, 2015, 07:53 AM   #2281
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Yeah, i am high on Seattle!
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Old February 27th, 2015, 07:58 AM   #2282
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Seattle needs to lose the NIMBY height limits. Another 400-440 ft. hedge in the making...
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Old February 27th, 2015, 08:08 AM   #2283
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something sizable might still rise from 820 2nd, though its likelihood for supertall status looks dim.

http://www.seattlepi.com/realestate/...#photo-7192450




Seattle also has the Tower at Rainier Square and 5th&Columbia, but that won't be enough to compete with San Francisco by 2025 which will have Salesforce Tower, the 50 1st Street Tower and 181 Fremont.
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Old February 27th, 2015, 08:13 AM   #2284
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something sizable might still rise from 820 2nd, though its likelihood for supertall status looks dim.

http://www.seattlepi.com/realestate/...#photo-7192450

Unfortunately those heights are only allowed in a small patch of the CBD. The rest of the city can go no higher than 450ft at most.
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Old February 27th, 2015, 11:24 AM   #2285
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Most of the city is building 440 footers but look at the three Amazon towers all 520' or 5th and columbia 660' or 5th and madison 530' those are all being built right now and as far as proposals go there's Ranier tower 850' or 820 2nd ave 1200' and theres more towers above 500' that i can not think of right now! Also theres a couple 500' starting soon like the Herdeen hotel or the Seattle civic sq plaza or the icon tower!

I am just fine with 440 footers! Look at Vancouver B.C. most of there buildings are 400'-300' and look at how there skyline has turned out!
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Old February 27th, 2015, 11:28 AM   #2286
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And i think Seattle has enough to compete with San Francisco, San Francisco is building tall, Seattle is building in mass numbers and making the skyline more dense!
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Old February 27th, 2015, 09:11 PM   #2287
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Reforma´s Mexico City 2025 Skyline (U/C & Proposals +150m only)


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Old February 27th, 2015, 10:34 PM   #2288
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And i think Seattle has enough to compete with San Francisco, San Francisco is building tall, Seattle is building in mass numbers and making the skyline more dense!
Seattle is going crazy, which is awesome. I'd love to see Seattle become the U.S.'s answer to Vancouver. However, it is difficult to ignore that San Francisco is going through a massive building boom at the moment as well.

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Old February 28th, 2015, 01:13 AM   #2289
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Listen to the vid at around 12:20

http://sma.sciarc.edu/video/gregg-pa...ver-ever-dont/

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But the remarkable thing is there are 10 buildings planned and basically funded and under construction in New York that are taller than the Empire State Building ... that will all be built in the next 5 years. The skyline of the city is radically changing.
Sure sounds intriguing!

My breakdown:

1. One World Trade Center, 1,776ft (541m), [roof 1,368ft / 417m]
2. 217 West 57th Street, 1,775ft (541m) [roof 1,490ft / 454m or 1,550ft / 472m]
3. One Vanderbilt Place, 1,514ft (461m) [roof 1,414ft / 431m]
4. 111 West 57th Street, 1,421ft (433m)
5. 432 Park Avenue, 1,397ft (426m)
6. 125 Greenwich Street, 1,356ft (413m)
7. Two World Trade Center, 1,349ft (411m) [roof 1,270ft / 387m]
8. 30 Hudson Yards, 1,287ft (392m)
9. Empire State Building, 1,250ft (381m), [antenna 1,454ft / 443m]

The Hudson Spire and Shvo's Central Park Tower could yield two 1,300 footers. Or even Manhattan West ...
Or maybe SHoP's coming supertalls are indeed taller than the King!

Also, a solid 1,600 footer to the roof would be great.
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Old February 28th, 2015, 01:20 AM   #2290
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Nothing in America will rival New York's skyline in my life time. It's really everyone else jockeying for positions after New York. In 2025, I think it will look like this:

TOP 5 SKYLINES IN AMERICA - 2025
1. New York: will remain twice as big as anything else
2. Toronto: will pull even with Chicago in 6-7 years then pull ahead
3. Chicago: will start building a lot more but it won't be enough to hold down #2
4. San Francisco: Transbay and lots more
5. Mexico City: few are paying attention to it but it's inevitable that it will be top 5 sooner rather than later.

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Seattle is going crazy, which is awesome. I'd love to see Seattle become the U.S.'s answer to Vancouver. However, it is difficult to ignore that San Francisco is going through a massive building boom at the moment as well.
Agree. I like Seattle's skyline but there's lots of competition for best on the west coast. San Francisco looks like it will stay at the top. Vancouver could do with some height but is no slouch either. And then there's LA. It's a very small skyline for the size of the city but it still looks good imo.
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Old February 28th, 2015, 01:41 AM   #2291
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Miami might be #4 on that list. It all depends on if the FAA's tyrannical grip on a good chunk of downtown will be loosened. If it is, then there are multiple supertalls and other tall projects down the pike.
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Old February 28th, 2015, 01:50 AM   #2292
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Miami could be in the mix but my bets are on SF and MC bumping it out of the top 5. They have a lot stronger fundamentals. SF is extremely wealthy with great long term prospects while MC is a 23 million person metro and capital of a massive country on its way up. Miami will do well, but not as well as those 2.
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Old February 28th, 2015, 04:52 AM   #2293
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San Francisco isn't in the lead in my opinion for the west coast!

Seattle's skyline seems bigger and with the Space Needle, the 2 mountain ranges[cascades and olympics] and the puget sound!

Yes San Francisco has a building boom right now but Seattle has a bigger boom!
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Old February 28th, 2015, 05:12 AM   #2294
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How is a mountain range and body of water part of a skyline? By your definition the Himalayas is the world's biggest skyline.
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Nothing in America will rival New York's skyline in my life time. It's really everyone else jockeying for positions after New York. In 2025, I think it will look like this:

TOP 5 SKYLINES IN AMERICA - 2025
1. New York: will remain twice as big as anything else
2. Toronto: will pull even with Chicago in 6-7 years then pull ahead
3. Chicago: will start building a lot more but it won't be enough to hold down #2
4. San Francisco: Transbay and lots more
5. Mexico City: few are paying attention to it but it's inevitable that it will be top 5 sooner rather than later.

Agree. I like Seattle's skyline but there's lots of competition for best on the west coast. San Francisco looks like it will stay at the top. Vancouver could do with some height but is no slouch either. And then there's LA. It's a very small skyline for the size of the city but it still looks good imo.
I think Toronto could easily rival Chicago by 2025, but it still has a ways to go considering the height/size of Chicago's downtown. Chicago has taller buildings and more of them. Chicago needs more development but doesn't need to build as rapidly to remain second place considering it's always been a huge and impressive world skyline.
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Old February 28th, 2015, 05:24 AM   #2296
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I think Toronto could easily rival Chicago by 2025, but it still has a ways to go considering the height/size of Chicago's downtown. Chicago has taller buildings and more of them. Chicago needs more development but doesn't need to build as rapidly to remain second place considering it's always been huge and impressive world skyline.
Agree. It's all resting on whether Toronto's current inventory of proposals move to construction. The last 8 years would suggest that 90-95% of Toronto's proposals do get built although they usually undergo design changes. Very few don't happen at all.

If these proposals do get built that 6-7 year timeline I mentioned will be all it takes to close the gap. Toronto would be massively ahead in buildings under 100m, ahead in 100-199m buildings, ahead in 200-299m buildings, but trail in 300m+ buildings (7 vs 1). Overall that's a dead heat in my book.

I'm taking into account Chicago proposals as well and haven't included the CN Tower although it certainly does impact the skyline tremendously.
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Miami might be #4 on that list. It all depends on if the FAA's tyrannical grip on a good chunk of downtown will be loosened. If it is, then there are multiple supertalls and other tall projects down the pike.
I'm still an optimist about all that but sooner or later Miami's going to have to address the airport issue and reconfigure runways to add capacity and increase efficiency. The city just recently bought a large parcel next to the airport and I hope will buy out more land. At 60 million passengers and growing, MIA is going to strain its jumble of facilities fairly soon.
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San Francisco isn't in the lead in my opinion for the west coast!

Seattle's skyline seems bigger and with the Space Needle, the 2 mountain ranges[cascades and olympics] and the puget sound!

Yes San Francisco has a building boom right now but Seattle has a bigger boom!
Seattle is winning, yay!
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Old February 28th, 2015, 06:20 AM   #2299
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In my opinion a skyline is something you see that will amaze you if it is good enough and in Seattle's case the Mountains and the sound add that happy fresh vibe to the skyline!

What would the Seattle skyline be like with out the mountains or the sound, ask yourself that question!
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Old February 28th, 2015, 10:58 PM   #2300
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It is getting a little odd. We built a 298m office building in 1975. Who knew we'd still be waiting to cross the 300m barrier 40 years later. In a world building 400m, 500m, 600m buildings one starts questioning the mindset when the city views 250m as problematic in the downtown core. We build 250m but there's a surprising amount of resistance to even going that tall. Their heads would likely explode if someone proposed a 500m building.

When Toronto does build its first 300m+ building it will already be passe. It's all about 400m+ buildings these days.
Makes me wonder, how was CN Tower approved in the first place?
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