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Old July 24th, 2013, 11:51 AM   #221
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Nice photos of Chongqing and Manila 2025 skyline of those cities is going to be awesome
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Old July 25th, 2013, 04:24 AM   #222
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You know, you do have some valid arguments about London. It is probably a little bit too small to truly belong in this thread.

However, when you say things like this, you come across as either a troll or a complete idiot. Most likely both. It's impossible to put into words how much it undermines your credibility on this issue. Clearly YOU are the person without a clue.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 05:02 AM   #223
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In that case, I think we'd be better off reposting the pics and not my rant about it
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Old July 25th, 2013, 06:02 PM   #224
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Old July 25th, 2013, 10:11 PM   #225
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London's skyline may be smallish, but aesthetically it is world-class.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 10:43 PM   #226
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For a small skyline Singapore is waaaay better than London

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Old July 25th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #227
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I wouldn't count out Istanbul. Sure...currently it doesn't have a +300 m one due to stupid reasons but by 2025 it will be sweet.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #228
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Its too bad that there is a height limit in Singapore, otherwise its sklyine could have been more impressive.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #230
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Old July 26th, 2013, 01:26 AM   #231
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European cities are hungry for recognition and this is the reason why they start building skyscrapers but its difficult for them to catch up as there are other emerging cities that build taller and more density though i believe when it comes to aesthetic they have the advantage.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 02:52 AM   #232
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I'm sorry, but I think it's hideous.

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European cities are hungry for recognition and this is the reason why they start building skyscrapers but its difficult for them to catch up as there are other emerging cities that build taller and more density though i believe when it comes to aesthetic they have the advantage.
Of course that's a matter of personal taste. Miami gets a lot of criticism for its short, boxy, and boring skyline, but there are lots of other buildings that people like in other cities that I'm glad are not here.

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Its too bad that there is a height limit in Singapore, otherwise its sklyine could have been more impressive.
And they have even more stringent height restrictions than what we have here in Miami. At least we can go to 1,010 feet in downtown Miami, but in Singapore, they can only go to 919, which means they can't even have the shortest of supertalls.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 05:00 AM   #233
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And they have even more stringent height restrictions than what we have here in Miami. At least we can go to 1,010 feet in downtown Miami, but in Singapore, they can only go to 919, which means they can't even have the shortest of supertalls.
While it's mainly still just rumors and rumblings, it sounds possible that Singapore might lift this restriction in the future.

Who set the 1010' limit for Miami? Are you sure it can never be breached? In Boston we tried to get a 1000' tower approved but FAA basically capped the site at 850'. I think our airport is closer to the city than yours though.

I think London deserves recognition as a top 3 skyline in Europe, but really like I said before the only European skyline to have a realistic shot at top 15-20 is Moscow.

For me the most interesting race will be for supremacy among the Chinese city skylines. Right now I have Shanghai taking that torch away from Hong Kong even though it doesn't match up in overall quantity. I would put Guangzhou and Shenzhen into the 3rd and 4th spots, respectively. I expect Shenzhen to eventually pass Guangzhou, and maybe the other 2 as well, but it is going to take a few years. Guangzhou is currently a bit bigger and taller, and I prefer the compact area of supertalls vs the far more spread out skyline of Shenzhen. (heck, Guangzhou is a darkhorse to overtake Hong Kong and/or Shanghai) However, once Ping An is done it may be enough to tip the scales (along with all the other supertalls u/c). I have Chongqing rounding out the top 5. It will be interesting to see which cities emerge from the next tier, including Tianjin, Beijing, and Nanjing, and then Wuhan and Dalian which I have rounding out the top 10. (any glaring omissions?) All 10 of those cities have a chance to be in the top 20 in 2025. I think realistically the first 8 I mentioned will get there.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 06:07 AM   #234
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While it's mainly still just rumors and rumblings, it sounds possible that Singapore might lift this restriction in the future.
On what basis would they lift it when the concern is aviation safety? Would that be because of advancements in aviation techology?

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Who set the 1010' limit for Miami? Are you sure it can never be breached? In Boston we tried to get a 1000' tower approved but FAA basically capped the site at 850'. I think our airport is closer to the city than yours though.
I think our height limit was 800 feet because the Four Seasons was originally planned to be over 900 feet tall in the last century, but it got chopped down to 789 feet because of the FAA. Then, in 2005, the City of Miami and concerned developers took MIA and the FAA to task in a legal battle with the argument I believe being that they didn't need such stringent height restrictions in the 21st century with aviation technology being what it is today, and that is how we got 1,010 feet out of the FAA, but that's only in certain parts of the CBD and the Brickell Financial District that fall between the cross hairs of MIA runways. Now supposedly they've come up with an even more strict Emergency Airspace Rule, but are sticking by the 2005 agreement as far as Miami is concerned, so that the city's continued growth and development is not damaged.

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For me the most interesting race will be for supremacy among the Chinese city skylines. Right now I have Shanghai taking that torch away from Hong Kong even though it doesn't match up in overall quantity. I would put Guangzhou and Shenzhen into the 3rd and 4th spots, respectively. I expect Shenzhen to eventually pass Guangzhou, and maybe the other 2 as well, but it is going to take a few years. Guangzhou is currently a bit bigger and taller, and I prefer the compact area of supertalls vs the far more spread out skyline of Shenzhen. (heck, Guangzhou is a darkhorse to overtake Hong Kong and/or Shanghai) However, once Ping An is done it may be enough to tip the scales (along with all the other supertalls u/c). I have Chongqing rounding out the top 5. It will be interesting to see which cities emerge from the next tier, including Tianjin, Beijing, and Nanjing, and then Wuhan and Dalian which I have rounding out the top 10. (any glaring omissions?) All 10 of those cities have a chance to be in the top 20 in 2025. I think realistically the first 8 I mentioned will get there.
At one time, China had 5 cities in the top 10 biggest and best skylines in the world. By 2025, it could have 8 in the top 10 moving out Chicago and Tokyo at the rate they are building. The only non-Chinese cities in the top 10 in 2025 could be New York and Dubai. Have you seen a high-altitude aerial of Shanghai recently? I think Shanghai may well have already moved out Hong Kong as the world's largest skyline. Talk about a sleeping giant!

This is an interesting list of cities with the number of buildings over 150 meters. It currently lists 18 cities in the world, including Tianjin and Mumbai that you mentioned earlier, that each has at least 50 buildings over 150 meters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...st_skyscrapers
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Old July 26th, 2013, 07:08 AM   #235
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Have you seen a high-altitude aerial of Shanghai recently? I think Shanghai may well have already moved out Hong Kong as the world's largest skyline. Talk about a sleeping giant!
Yes I'm pretty up to date with Shanghai. Hong Kong gets a ton of "skyline points" (at least as far as our favorite ranking site is concerned) due to all of its apartment complex towers. I'm sure you're familiar with them. Most look like crap, but they'll build 5-7 buildings a pop that are all 40-50+ stories. On the flip side it has almost no low or mid-rises to speak of. Shanghai is much more spread out than Hong Kong, which I think allows the individual towers to stand out more, and it also has a huge established low/mid-rise city that creates a better street level but doesn't provide a boost in the skyline rankings.

One more time with this... http://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html
Even if Shanghai is undercounted, and it most likely is, it's not undercounted by 70,000 points. I'm sure every substantial tower that's at least 500'+ would have made it into the rankings. However, despite the difference in pure quantity, Shanghai will be my no-doubt #1 Chinese skyline when the Shanghai Tower is completed. Hong Kong is almost built to capacity, and by 2025 it will be lucky if it remains ahead of Shenzhen, Guangzhou, or possibly even Chongqing. (or Tianjin, but I need to wait a couple more years before I can begin to comprehend how that skyline is going to turn out)

I'm surprised Miami is so stringent. I checked the airports and it looks like yours is ~5 miles to downtown, while Boston's is less than 2. What about Miami Beach? Could a taller building be built there in the future? Looks like it's almost 10 miles from the airport.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 07:25 AM   #236
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I'm surprised Miami is so stringent. I checked the airports and it looks like yours is ~5 miles to downtown, while Boston's is less than 2. What about Miami Beach? Could a taller building be built there in the future? Looks like it's almost 10 miles from the airport.
I don't know what's up with those FAA people. As far as Miami Beach is concerned, in the 1990s, developer interest on Miami Beach was so intense that Miami Beach could have looked like Australia's Gold Coast. What killed that? God damned NIMBYS! They voted in an anti-development mayor and then came the stringent height restrictions. It was Miami's gain though because developers were forced to look across the bay for a less hostile development environment. The city commission then approved a ton of projects before any Miami NIMBYS knew what was going on. There was nothing they could do.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 08:52 AM   #237
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Aesthetically pleasing with great balance? Why not Philadelphia?

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But it's not very large and by 2025 it may not be much larger. Like London's and many others, it will delight even if not all are impressed. But more than a few skylines that impress may not delight. To do both, you have to be a Shanghai, Hong Kong, or New York.



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Old July 26th, 2013, 09:38 AM   #238
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I would go for Houston though before I went for Philadelphia and even Atlanta. The Comcast tower pretty much killed that skyline for me.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 11:58 AM   #239
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Thee are some great pictures..the Gold Coast in Australia looks great..thanks for sharing the pics.
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wow chongqing is very impressive :O
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