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Old July 1st, 2016, 05:55 AM   #3041
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Chicago has better placement of iconic buildings and still a slim edge in architecture. At the rate Toronto is building will either hold true 10 years from now? I doubt it.

Layering? They both started building high rises in the 1890s. How could the layering be better when both cities have lots of buildings from every era over the last 120+ years? I might add that you can't see the historic high rises of either city in most skyline shots. I agree on some of your points but not all of it.
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Old July 1st, 2016, 07:09 AM   #3042
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I would have to agree. And for me, nothing beats this angle:


Catching the Morning Light by v_kalathil, on Flickr

Or this



But for now it looks like Toronto's skyline will overtake Chicago's in terms of scale. Chicago's best bet is to keep on expanding in the industrial areas just south and west of downtown to make downtown look bigger. The Helmut Jahn project in the South Loop and the Riverline project will definitely help but Toronto's skyline still has more momentum. So in the foreseeable I think it will come down to Toronto having a somewhat bigger skyline vs Chicago's having more finesse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Old July 1st, 2016, 07:19 AM   #3043
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I hear that argument all the time. I'd certainly give the nod to Chicago in the style department but it's not the gaping chasm some assume it to be. People, Torontonians included, point to how many more grand historic show piece buildings New York or Chicago has. That's not going to change but it's also worth noting that Toronto is building many of its show pieces now.

We may not recognize them as such today but that's the nature of it. That said, the next 5-10 years will answer whether the city manages to build them. There are 2-3 such buildings in the pipeline and point to the direction in which Toronto is heading. So Chicago may have more finesse but for how long? I can't see Toronto falling short by that marker indefinitely.

I quite like your art work: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Toronto's pre-war buildings are shorter and not as noticeable in skyline shots. I prefer Chicago's layering as the scale of the pre-war buildings is much greater, I'll give you that.
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Old July 1st, 2016, 11:53 AM   #3044
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Old July 2nd, 2016, 10:44 PM   #3045
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Toronto is building many of its show pieces now.

We may not recognize them as such today but that's the nature of it.
That's a good point. Toronto will embody the current era of architecture more than Chicago. In a few decades it'll age into its own thing.
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Old July 5th, 2016, 09:55 PM   #3046
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That's a good point. Toronto will embody the current era of architecture more than Chicago. In a few decades it'll age into its own thing.
Yes, it often takes decades before we develop an appreciation for architecture. International Style like Mies is only now reaching that point. Many say 70s architecture is ugly but it too will one day be valued (if it survives). Todays architecture feels common and nothing special compared to art deco but the better examples of it will be better appreciated many decades from now.

At the end of the day it's the quality of the building and the beauty of a design that wins the day. I do love pre-war buildings though.
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Old July 5th, 2016, 10:40 PM   #3047
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They're are plenty of old historic buildings visible in the Chicago skyline. Toronto is a nice city, but I think it looks more like a giant cluster, not a well shaped skyline.
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Old July 6th, 2016, 11:15 PM   #3048
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That's because it's growing so fast in different directions, when it all comes together it will be both massive and coherant/dense, it definitely does look like a skyline, not a cluster, the cn tower and expansive sea of towers can't be described as a cluster, it's a typical north American skyline, just bigger than most (all except new york/chicago)
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Toronto is a nice city, but I think it looks more like a giant cluster, not a well shaped skyline.
It's changing so quickly that it's rather pointless to form any concrete conclusions about its shape. It was only 5 years ago that Toronto started building tall outside its historic CBD. Now it's filling in all the way to Yorkville in the north, the Don Valley to the east, Liberty Village to the west, and even jumped the tracks south to the lake shore.

It's a massive footprint but in 5-6 years we'll get a better idea of what the skyline will look like. It will be another 10-15 years after that till the core becomes fully 'built out'. We're nowhere close to that point yet.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 12:53 PM   #3050
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Not a whole lot to debate here.

With Brooklyn/Jersey City :


https://www.cityrealty.com/file/2bb7...778b8d5117ef62

With Long Island City :


https://www.cityrealty.com/file/2bb7...778b8d5117ef62

Really cool,but i doubt that NYC could complete all of these new suptertalls by 2025,only 9 years left.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 04:53 PM   #3051
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I think the reason that Toronto seems less "immediate" than Chicago is that they're orientated differently. Chicago sprawls along the lake with a small inward cluster at the Loop, whereas Toronto is more of an expanding "T" that has a base around Bay & King and then sprawls inland up through to Bloor and then tapers outwards at major cross-streets. Viewed from the north, Toronto's skyline is way more impressive because you see the depth.

I'm actually not a huge fan of Chicago's skyline expressly for this reason. One minute you've got the dense Loop and the next it becomes a sprawl of disjointed low-rises and a messy grid, whereas Toronto tends to gradually shorten along thoroughfares outwards from the spine. With the mid- and sometimes high-rise booms along King, Queen, Adelaide and Richmond, it's "bulking up," just as a number of new developments will fill in the gaps along Yonge. Once that's in place, I think the criticism of Toronto will dissipate.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 09:19 PM   #3052
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A friend of mine visiting from the Netherlands said that Toronto reminded her of LA as we drove in from the airport. At first I thought it a bizarre comparison till she clarified she meant the massive highways and bone dry vegetation. All that was missing were palm trees. It got me noticing other similarities that aren't immediately obvious.

LA has a main cluster and tons of mini clusters developing all over the place. Toronto's main cluster is far bigger but it too has a ton of mini clusters developing all over the place. The growth of nodes built around previous small town cores and supplemented with transit hubs is accelerating. Places like Eglinton/Yonge, St. Clair/Yonge, Sheppard/Yonge (North York City Centre), Scarborough Town Centre, Etobicoke's Humber Bay Shores, Mississauga's Square One area, Markham, Richmond Hill, Brampton, Burlington, Pickering, Oshawa, and Hamilton will create the feeling of an endless city. When you're in one cluster you'll see another a few km in the distance, then another beyond that, then another ....

I think LA will develop/grow a lot like that too as it also has established nodes.
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Old July 9th, 2016, 11:16 PM   #3053
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Really cool,but i doubt that NYC could complete all of these new suptertalls by 2025,only 9 years left.
while that rendering is inaccurate in that it depicts speculative heights, incorrect designs and cancelled projects, 9 years is a pessimistic outlook on the length of time for other construction projects. A supertall can be built in 3-5 years. Most of NYC's supertalls have small footprints meaning they can be built exceptionally quickly.
These are the supertalls currently in progress or on hold. 11 in addition to the 7 already completed. So by around 2021 there will very likely be at least 18.
  1. Central Park Tower – 1550
  2. 111 w 57th Street – 1438’
  3. 30 Hudson Yards – 1268’
  4. Three World Trade Center – 1079’
  5. 53w53rd – 1050’
  6. 3 Hudson Boulevard - 1050’
  7. 35 Hudson Yards – 1009’
  8. 125 Greenwich ~1000’ (?)
  9. One Manhattan West – 995’
  10. One Vanderbilt – 1514’ – Demo
  11. Two World Trade Center – 1270’ - On Hold

A dozen or more might start up construction in that time period [key word - might], so 25-30 supertalls is not an outlandish claim for NYC by 2025. (?) means we don't have an official word on height.


Potential Supertalls - several are certain.
  1. 80 South Street - 1436'
  2. 666 fifth Avenue – 1400
  3. 151 East 60th Street ~ 1240’ (?)
  4. 15 Penn Plaza – 1216’ - stale proposal
  5. 1 Park Lane – 1210’ (?)
  6. 45 Broad Street – 1115’
  7. 50 Hudson Yards – 1068’
  8. 340 Flatbrush Extension - 1066’ [Brooklyn]
  9. 66 Hudson Boulevard (The Spiral) – 1006’
  10. 520 w 41st Street – 1000+ (?)
  11. 335 Madison Avenue – 1000+ (?)
  12. 360 Tenth Avenue – 1000+ (?)
  13. 740 Eighth Avenue - 1000+’ (?)
  14. 1710 Broadway ~1000’ (?)
  15. 562 Fifth Avenue ~1000 (?)
  16. 247 Cherry Street - 1000'
  17. Two Manhattan West – 995’ (?)
  18. Court Square City View Tower- 984' [Queens]
  19. Hudson Yards Phase II West Tower - 984'+ (?)

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Old July 10th, 2016, 09:29 PM   #3054
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PANORAMA SKYLINE 2015 bw by MYW_2507, on Flickr
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Future (2020)

PANORAMA SKYLINE 2020 bw by MYW_2507, on Flickr
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The new towers that will form the skyline in 2020 are currently under-construction:

Thamrin Nine 1 (330 m)
Thamrin Nine 2 (+200 m)
Casa Domaine 1 (+200 m)
Casa Domaine 2 (+200 m)
Seven Point Eight (298 m)
Menara ASTRA (270 m)
Anandamaya 1 (+200 m)
Anandamaya 2 (+200 m)
Anandamaya 3 (+200 m)
the ICON 1 (350 m)
the ICON 2 (+200 m)
WTC 3 (+200m)
Sudirman Suites (+150 m)
Sampoerna Strategic Square 1 (+300 m)
Sampoerna Strategic Square 2 (+200 m)
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Old July 11th, 2016, 04:51 PM   #3056
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Indonesia One Twin Towers - 303m x 2

You are right, but they are not in the frame, they will be on the left side of the picture if captured by the camera.
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With a metro of 30 million people, Jakarta is a sleeping giant.

It must be exciting for people there to experience the rapid transformation of their city
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Is that tall one Trans Bay?
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Yes that is Transbay. There are also two more tall towers in the render that are under construction at the moment I believe. Abnother tower that is part of the Transbay complex is not included.
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