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Old July 12th, 2016, 08:24 PM   #3061
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Abnother tower that is part of the Transbay complex is not included.
Yeah, they didn't include the Parcel F tower, which was just revealed the other day:



Pretty formidable little cluster!
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Old July 12th, 2016, 08:41 PM   #3062
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Oh great. I don't follow the SF development thread all that closely so wondered what happened to that TransBay proposal. What's underneath that elevated park? Rail? Looks fabulous.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 09:52 PM   #3063
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Oh great. I don't follow the SF development thread all that closely so wondered what happened to that TransBay proposal. What's underneath that elevated park? Rail? Looks fabulous.
Yeah, it's a multi-modal transit hub designed to link CalTrain, High-Speed Rail and over a dozen regional bus agencies, while providing an underground connection to BART and Muni lines. The hub is a huge driver of the recent skyscraper surge, as a number of the parcels in the immediate vicinity were sold and will recoup taxes for the express purpose of funding the terminal.

Anyway, not to derail the thread -- suffice it to say, I think SF will have a decent claim to best small-city skyline by 2025!
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Old July 13th, 2016, 01:06 AM   #3064
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I think it will definitely have the best skyline on the west coast of the US by 2025
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Old July 13th, 2016, 01:29 AM   #3065
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I am living for the whole Transbay development. It even has a little bit of East Asian flair which I like.
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Old July 13th, 2016, 09:49 AM   #3066
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San Francisco will look even more amazing. It has such a compact skyline.
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Old July 13th, 2016, 07:47 PM   #3067
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SF is becoming too modern for some people's taste.. but adaptation and change is inevitable.

I've never been to SF, but I really like it, worthy of a visit someday.
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Old July 14th, 2016, 02:03 AM   #3068
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Here is a larger version for added detail:



An some other SF future skyline renders:





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Old July 14th, 2016, 06:46 PM   #3069
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San Francisco's future skyline is looking amazing. It should easily be the best on the West Coast come 2020. LA has always lacked the density of skyscrapers to compete. Seattle is only building 440' boxes with a few exceptions.
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Old July 15th, 2016, 03:30 AM   #3070
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LA has always lacked the density of skyscrapers to compete.
LA's cluster and density is quite good imo. SF might contend for best in the West coast but LA's no slouch either.
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Old July 15th, 2016, 05:54 AM   #3071
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In the next four years, expect a dramatic changes to the KL skyline.
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Old July 15th, 2016, 11:05 AM   #3072
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In the next four years, expect a dramatic changes to the KL skyline.
some U/C highrise in KL:

1. PNB KL118 Merdeka Tower 644m
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...56606&page=198

2. TRX Platinium Tower 439m
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...135763&page=84

3. Fairmont Hotel 370m
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...131385&page=54

4. Four Season Hotel & Residence 342m
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...49417&page=109

5. Oxley Tower 320m++
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1653010&page=9

6. Kempinski Hotel 280m++ (72 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...136711&page=10


7. Stars Residence 270m++ ( 61 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=718736&page=7

8. TA3 & TA4 Tower 270m++ ( 60 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...481740&page=24

9.Lot [email protected] 250m++ (51 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...251460&page=14


10. MAS Annex 230m++ (50 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...652443&page=14

11. Equatorial Hotel 230++ (52 Storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...502061&page=16

12. Daya Bumi new Tower 289m ( 60 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1172141&page=9


13. Mid Valley Southpoint Tower 250m++ ( 60 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...011863&page=12


14. KL Eco City 240m ( 60storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...505099&page=41

15. The Colony 220++ (56 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1689606&page=2


16. Pavillion Elite Tower 230m (50 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...83812&page=304
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Old July 15th, 2016, 03:06 PM   #3073
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some U/C highrise in KL:

1. PNB KL118 Merdeka Tower 644m
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...56606&page=198

2. TRX Platinium Tower 439m
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...135763&page=84

3. Fairmont Hotel 370m
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...131385&page=54

4. Four Season Hotel & Residence 342m
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...49417&page=109

5. Oxley Tower 320m++
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1653010&page=9

6. Kempinski Hotel 280m++ (72 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...136711&page=10


7. Stars Residence 270m++ ( 61 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=718736&page=7

8. TA3 & TA4 Tower 270m++ ( 60 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...481740&page=24

9.Lot [email protected] 250m++ (51 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...251460&page=14


10. MAS Annex 230m++ (50 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...652443&page=14

11. Equatorial Hotel 230++ (52 Storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...502061&page=16

12. Daya Bumi new Tower 289m ( 60 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1172141&page=9


13. Mid Valley Southpoint Tower 250m++ ( 60 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...011863&page=12


14. KL Eco City 240m ( 60storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...505099&page=41

15. The Colony 220++ (56 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1689606&page=2


16. Pavillion Elite Tower 230m (50 storey)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...83812&page=304
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Four Seasons - 343m

Kempinski- 300m++

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Old July 16th, 2016, 08:07 PM   #3074
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Future NYC skyline = GOD!
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Old July 17th, 2016, 02:44 AM   #3075
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2 massive multi-tower proposals are out of view (One Yonge and the LCBO lands) and would be appear just to the right.

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Old July 17th, 2016, 08:00 AM   #3076
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I'm posting here about three separate initiatives in the City of Sydney.

1. Central Sydney (aka the traditional Sydney CBD): Sydney is finally throwing off the shackles and embracing taller skyscrapers (i.e. up to 310m in height) as part of the new Draft Central Sydney Planning Strategy.

As part of the Strategy, the City of Sydney is aiming to restrict residential development in Central Sydney in order to stimulate employment and subsequently economic growth.

Unfortunately it is quite difficult to find renders of what the Central Sydney skyline will look like in 2025, but here are some renders of what it could look like by 2036 under a high employment growth scenario.

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Sydney CBD plan to curb new apartment towers

The City of Sydney is proposing a dramatic change to development in the CBD in an attempt to encourage more office and hotel projects and curb the current enthusiasm for apartment towers.

The draft Central Sydney Planning Strategy, released late Wednesday, would require all new towers over 55m to be at least half commercial. In a further incentive, developers could build above current height limits, up to 300 m, if the towers were exclusively for commercial use.

Some owners, with sites suitable for commercial development up to the new height limit, would be winners, but others, particularly those expecting to sell or develop apartment towers at the southern end of the city, could lose land value.

Lord Mayor Clover Moore said past planning strategies had successfully increased the number of residential buildings in the city centre.

"Now we need to protect and increase the amount of productive floor space to maintain Sydney's economic vitality and resilience," she said, stressing the contribution Sydney business makes to Australia's GDP..

"Central Sydney has limited capacity to grow north, west and east because of its natural geography and harbour surrounds, heritage and the growth of residential development, which limit potential future renewal and change of use to meet the needs of a changing society."

Under the current rules, new apartment towers could crowd out other city users, and, in strata title ownership, would be very difficult to change. Other cities, Vancouver and Westminster, are attempting to address the same issue.

Councillor Moore said the new strategy provided the opportunity to unlock up to 2.9 million square metres of additional floor space for retail, hotel, cultural and office needs to meet long-term targets for the city centre's growth.

"Planning for growth requires clear policies and careful management to protect the opportunities to increase the new economy's floor space needs from high-priced residential on larger scale sites," she said.

The new strategy would be the most radical change for the Sydney CBD since 1971, and the first major change to the statutory planning since 1996.

Ten key changes are proposed including the expansion of Central Sydney to reabsorb The Rocks, Darling Harbour, Ultimo (The Goods Line Central Park and UTS) and Central Railway to Cleveland Street.

"Having a single consent authority and framework will make planning more consistent and reduce red tape and hurdles," the City said in a release.

Another key change would be the introduction of an affordable housing levy which is to be phased in over time but will eventually cost commercial developers, 1 per cent of the value of the project and residential developers 3 per cent of their value - which is similar to the levy already in place in Green Square.

The strategy also removes one solar access plane, and introduces others. The capacity for new height is represented in the accompanying height terrain plan.

The City's Director of Planning, Development and Transport, Graham Jahn, said the City had received positive responses to the strategy from the NSW Premier, Minister for Planning, Department of Planning and the Sydney Business Chamber.

"The strategy builds on the evident success of a truly mixed use city centre and the transformational investment that different sectors can bring to the city with the right framework and settings," he said.

"We believe in a mixed use city, and we want a mixed use outcome."

The proposals, outlined in the 200 pages of the draft Central Sydney Planning Strategy, will go to Council and the Central Sydney Planning Committee before being put up for public submissions.

http://www.afr.com/real-estate/sydne...0160713-gq4x4z
All from Appendix L:

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/_...ACHMENTA27.PDF

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This study provides a review of the effect that maximum future development may have on the overall form of the city as viewed from selected vantage points.

The study is theoretical in that it assumes that every potential development site builds to its maximum height. This scenario is extremely unlikely to eventuate. It should be noted that in each cluster of towers it is more likely that only about 1 in 3 of the potential tall towers will be developed.




























2. Central to Eveleigh: A NSW Government initiative. Up to 22,000 new jobs and 26,000 new residents along the 130 hectare corridor.


http://www.centraltoeveleigh.com.au/...hop_Slides.pdf

3. Green Square: A combined NSW Government / City of Sydney initiative. Up to 21,000 jobs and 61,000 new residents in the 278 hectare area by 2030.



These three initiatives will essentially form a five kilometre long skyline from Circular Quay in the north to Green Square in the south.
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That Sydney skyline looks like it'll be rocking the global scene in a few years So far, the most exciting skylines I'm looking at are Toronto, Sydney, New York, London and Dubai.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 05:10 AM   #3078
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while that rendering is inaccurate in that it depicts speculative heights, incorrect designs and cancelled projects, 9 years is a pessimistic outlook on the length of time for other construction projects. A supertall can be built in 3-5 years. Most of NYC's supertalls have small footprints meaning they can be built exceptionally quickly.
These are the supertalls currently in progress or on hold. 11 in addition to the 7 already completed. So by around 2021 there will very likely be at least 18.
  1. Central Park Tower – 1550
  2. 111 w 57th Street – 1438’
  3. 30 Hudson Yards – 1268’
  4. Three World Trade Center – 1079’
  5. 53w53rd – 1050’
  6. 3 Hudson Boulevard - 1050’
  7. 35 Hudson Yards – 1009’
  8. 125 Greenwich ~1000’ (?)
  9. One Manhattan West – 995’
  10. One Vanderbilt – 1514’ – Demo
  11. Two World Trade Center – 1270’ - On Hold

A dozen or more might start up construction in that time period [key word - might], so 25-30 supertalls is not an outlandish claim for NYC by 2025. (?) means we don't have an official word on height.


Potential Supertalls - several are certain.
  1. 80 South Street - 1436'
  2. 666 fifth Avenue – 1400
  3. 151 East 60th Street ~ 1240’ (?)
  4. 15 Penn Plaza – 1216’ - stale proposal
  5. 1 Park Lane – 1210’ (?)
  6. 45 Broad Street – 1115’
  7. 50 Hudson Yards – 1068’
  8. 340 Flatbrush Extension - 1066’ [Brooklyn]
  9. 66 Hudson Boulevard (The Spiral) – 1006’
  10. 520 w 41st Street – 1000+ (?)
  11. 335 Madison Avenue – 1000+ (?)
  12. 360 Tenth Avenue – 1000+ (?)
  13. 740 Eighth Avenue - 1000+’ (?)
  14. 1710 Broadway ~1000’ (?)
  15. 562 Fifth Avenue ~1000 (?)
  16. 247 Cherry Street - 1000'
  17. Two Manhattan West – 995’ (?)
  18. Court Square City View Tower- 984' [Queens]
  19. Hudson Yards Phase II West Tower - 984'+ (?)
I'll go one further. I think it's highly likely that New York cruises past 25.

So let's take your 18 supertalls (7 Completed, 1 T/O, 8 U/C, 1 Demo, 1 On Hold)

Now let's look at the others.

80 South Street is a shoo-in. It's just a when, not an if. #19
45 Broad Lane looks like it will start very soon. I don't see that one going away #20
50 Hudson Yards is 100% going to happen. The entire Hudson Yards is coming together nicely. No reason to believe one will fall through the cracks. #21
The Spiral will happen (unfortunately). Go away Bjarke! #22
Two Manhattan West (at ~1,216') is also a given (the project's already started). #23
Court City Square is also 99% sure to happen. That's #24

Liberty Rising will either happen or not depending on a referendum this November in New Jersey.

As far as I'm concerned, New York will have at least 24 buildings w/o Liberty Rising (and that's assuming that no other buildings will be proposed by 2022). As you note, a supertall can take 3 years, so we have 6 more years of supertall proposals as well. 25 supertalls is 99.99% likely imo. And that's even assuming that all of the other vaguer proposals get shelved (just like 1 Park Lane or 15 Penn Plaza). The only segment of the housing sector that will crater is ultra luxury skyscrapers. After Steinway and Central Park Tower, the others will likely get canned. But remember that NY is WAAAYYYY behind on Class A Commercial, and Hudson Yards is only a small piece of the solution.
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50HY is 100% going to happen but is it 100% going to be supertall?
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