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Old August 6th, 2013, 11:16 AM   #301
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With all due respect, there's no way in hell that London will make a best skyline list by 2025. To suggest so is going to elicit responses like that made by '808 state'.... and we're well aware of what is built, under construction, and proposed in that city.

Some Londoners seem to be living in a bubble. Perhaps they should get out in the world before making such ludicrous suggestions?
I have no obligation to support any city, but your responses do seem to be said with a bit of a chip on it's shoulder.

I remember when London first started building tall - everyone was loving it. Now skyscrapers are being planned and built left, right and center it seems people are starting to go ... "whooaaa, this isn't right" in a form of frantic jealousy that London, might ... just might become a power house in terms of skyline form.

Now, London will never achieve density like Shenzhen, but asthetically, having the likes of St Pauls Cathedral, Millennium Dome, London Eye, Hundreds of church spires amongst the likes of The Shard, Swiss Re etc will be alot more interesting to look at then the majority of skylines across the world.
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I just think most of the buildings in cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Dubai look like they were designed by children. Shanghai somehow manages to look 1000x more fake than Las Vegas, that is supposed to be fake.

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I just think most of the buildings in cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Dubai look like they were designed by children. Shanghai somehow manages to look 1000x more fake than Las Vegas, that is supposed to be fake.
I didn't know nowadays children can be architect and developers. If ut really designed by children then these "children" are GENIUS !!! Hahaha
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Old August 6th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #304
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I have no obligation to support any city, but your responses do seem to be said with a bit of a chip on it's shoulder.


I wouldn't look too far into it isaidso has a huge colonial chip on his shoulder about the UK. He's like the Marathaman of Canada.
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Old August 6th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #305
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I remember when London first started building tall - everyone was loving it. Now skyscrapers are being planned and built left, right and center it seems people are starting to go ... "whooaaa, this isn't right" in a form of frantic jealousy that London, might ... just might become a power house in terms of skyline form.

Now, London will never achieve density like Shenzhen, but asthetically, having the likes of St Pauls Cathedral, Millennium Dome, London Eye, Hundreds of church spires amongst the likes of The Shard, Swiss Re etc will be alot more interesting to look at then the majority of skylines across the world.
No one is getting jealous of London's 'skyline' buddy, not even a bit. People are criticizing it because London is being compared to 1st tier skylines like Shanghai or Shenzhen. If London has 1 aesthetic skyscraper, Shanghai and Shenzhen have 50x more (which is a fact). I'm actually happy that London has finally realized it has to become more modern in terms of cityscape and build more tall buildings. But just because it's a globally renowned city, doesn't mean it has to have a great skyline. And it doesn't. None of us hates London here (it's a great city by every means), but it's not worthy enough to be part of skyline discussions. There are dozens of vastly superior skylines in the world than London.
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Old August 6th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #306
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I love Shenzen skyline ... but face it ... for the moment they have quantity but not quality ...



Furthermore, you can't easily recognize the skyline of Shenzen ... too many banal white concrete designs ....

On the other hand, London skyline is recognizable and charismatic... it don't needs superhypermegatall to exist, there is a good balance between old and new buildings and that's what i love ...

London is a lady ... Shenzen is a young boring b*tch... 4 the moment ...

And IMO ... Shanghai is THE Queen...
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Old August 6th, 2013, 06:05 PM   #307
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The skyline can be seen in the background, which is so massive, it's looks prominent from most of the areas in and around it. After 10 years, it will be much more bigger and dense





Not to mention the mountains and beaches <3



Shenzhen is one of the most beautiful city in the world. Nature+Civilization=
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Old August 6th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #308
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The skyline can be seen in the background, which is so massive, it's prominent from most of the areas. After 10 years, it will be much more bigger and dense
If the only goal of a skyline is to be massive and prominent ... so let's build a mountain or supermega ***** ...

In the picture you posted only 2 buildings are relevant ... the rest is common !!!

But anyway, Shenzen still interesting but i think this city deserves a better quality skyline ... because it will be in the largest megacity of the world by 2025 ...
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Old August 6th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #309
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No one is getting jealous of London's 'skyline' buddy, not even a bit. People are criticizing it because London is being compared to 1st tier skylines like Shanghai or Shenzhen. If London has 1 aesthetic skyscraper, Shanghai and Shenzhen have 50x more (which is a fact).
I think there are alot of people on these forums who are taking London's highrise boom with a bit of a "chip on their shoulder" ... and it is also fact that despite these cities mentioned building lots of nice towers, they are also building 50 x more bloody atrocious ones which effectively cancels your argument out in one go.

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I'm actually happy that London has finally realized it has to become more modern in terms of cityscape and build more tall buildings. But just because it's a globally renowned city, doesn't mean it has to have a great skyline. And it doesn't. None of us hates London here (it's a great city by every means), but it's not worthy enough to be part of skyline discussions. There are dozens of vastly superior skylines in the world than London.
London has always had a modern cityscape. Indeed it is the best city in the world when it comes to balancing old with new. The amount of architectural styles is unrivalled and they have managed it spectacularly well.

The question posed wasn't about what the best skyline is now but in 12 years time. And it's didn't specifically ask for the "best" but "one" of the best.

London has all the attributes, it has historical monuments, cathedrals, church spires, stadiums, arena's, cable cars along side new modern day towers that all make the skyline so much more interesting to look at then a mass of glass and concrete blocks.

It's not all about density, quantity. This mindset is ridiculous. If it was then why bother even employing world class architects.

It's the design and how they fit in to the surrounding area and it's neighbours. The UK planning laws, alongside those of many European and North American nations highlight this to a degree where asthetics become of upmost importance. This is not the same elsewhere. To gain planning in the UK takes between 12-18 months for major projects. between 8-10 weeks in China and other eastern nations. The regulations are much more strict and this provides a much higher general spec of construction then anywhere else.

In 12 years time, with another 100+ - 100m towers of top spec design alongside historical monuments such as St Pauls, Big Ben, Battersea Power Station etc London will have a very attractive and World Class skyline. Quantity or not.
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On the other hand, London skyline is recognizable and charismatic... it don't needs superhypermegatall to exist, there is a good balance between old and new buildings and that's what i love ...

London is a lady ... Shenzen is a young boring b*tch... 4 the moment ...

And IMO ... Shanghai is THE Queen...
If London was founded only 30 years ago like Shenzhen, it wouldn't be 1/10000th as recognizable as Shenzhen is right now. Shenzhen has population above 15 million and needs to build lots of residential highrises to accommodate its large population. Despite this, it has more modern glass skyscrapers than the whole of Europe combined. London is more recognizable because of it's history and fame, not the skyline.
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To be honest... half of these "omfgz skyline porn" pictures... if they didn't have a label explaining where they were... I wouldn't have a ******* clue where they were... they all look so similar.
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Exactly. Nobody recognises Shenzhen unless you're a skyscraper enthusiast or Chinese. That's where the difference lies and that's where asthetics and a cities topography plays a major role in defining "quality" of skylines.
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I think there are alot of people on these forums who are taking London's highrise boom with a bit of a "chip on their shoulder" ... and it is also fact that despite these cities mentioned building lots of nice towers, they are also building 50 x more bloody atrocious ones which effectively cancels your argument out in one go.



London has always had a modern cityscape. Indeed it is the best city in the world when it comes to balancing old with new. The amount of architectural styles is unrivalled and they have managed it spectacularly well.

London has all the attributes, it has historical monuments, cathedrals, church spires, stadiums, arena's, cable cars along side new modern day towers that all make the skyline so much more interesting to look at then a mass of glass and concrete blocks.

It's not all about density, quantity. This mindset is ridiculous. If it was then why bother even employing world class architects.


In 12 years time, with another 100+ - 100m towers of top spec design alongside historical monuments such as St Pauls, Big Ben, Battersea Power Station etc London will have a very attractive and World Class skyline. Quantity or not.
Man, I hear all the rant about London's mind blowing architecture...can you please provide us with a photo of London's high quality 100 meter tall residential buildings? I would like to know if London really has so many 'quality' apartments as it claims, or all of those talks are nothing but bluff.

Do me a favour, don't show me photos of 3-10 storied buildings. I want high quality photos of tall apartments (this is skyscrapercity, folks)

Photos please, anyone?
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Old August 6th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #314
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I think there are alot of people on these forums who are taking London's highrise boom with a bit of a "chip on their shoulder" ... and it is also fact that despite these cities mentioned building lots of nice towers, they are also building 50 x more bloody atrocious ones which effectively cancels your argument out in one go.



London has always had a modern cityscape. Indeed it is the best city in the world when it comes to balancing old with new. The amount of architectural styles is unrivalled and they have managed it spectacularly well.

The question posed wasn't about what the best skyline is now but in 12 years time. And it's didn't specifically ask for the "best" but "one" of the best.

London has all the attributes, it has historical monuments, cathedrals, church spires, stadiums, arena's, cable cars along side new modern day towers that all make the skyline so much more interesting to look at then a mass of glass and concrete blocks.

It's not all about density, quantity. This mindset is ridiculous. If it was then why bother even employing world class architects.

It's the design and how they fit in to the surrounding area and it's neighbours. The UK planning laws, alongside those of many European and North American nations highlight this to a degree where asthetics become of upmost importance. This is not the same elsewhere. To gain planning in the UK takes between 12-18 months for major projects. between 8-10 weeks in China and other eastern nations. The regulations are much more strict and this provides a much higher general spec of construction then anywhere else.

In 12 years time, with another 100+ - 100m towers of top spec design alongside historical monuments such as St Pauls, Big Ben, Battersea Power Station etc London will have a very attractive and World Class skyline. Quantity or not.
This is so true. I do not think London will be THE BEST - by no means. But definitely one of the best. London is unique.

Even if NYC doesn't change much by 2025 - it will still be one of the best purely because its style.

This is what London and NYC share. Shanghai is BEAUTIFUL and probably my 2nd favourite skyline currently. I'm not a fan of Dubai but I can appreciate the engineering.

Hong Kong is just a giant... LOVE IT. But a little too messy for my liking. Too many of those apartment blocks. Nevertheless - still awe inspiring.

Moscow also looks amazing!

London is really coming along when it comes to Skyscrapers. But yes you are correct, London is more famous - but because of this fame, it's skyline has quickly become recoqnizable and used in the media and film.

London is definitely up there. But not one of the giants - more like a slim but beautiful detailed woman.
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Man, I hear all the rant about London's mind blowing architecture...can you please provide us with a photo of London's high quality 100 meter tall residential buildings? I would like to know if London really has so many 'quality' apartments as it claims, or all of those talks are nothing but bluff.
It has more luxurious apartments and houses then anywhere else.

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Do me a favour, don't show me photos of 3-10 storied buildings. I want high quality photos of tall apartments (this is skyscrapercity, folks)

Photos please, anyone?
Or shall we wait till 2025??
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Shenzhen's major roads are very neat and tidy with lots of trees alongside , and it makes the skyline more appealing









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It has more luxurious apartments and houses then anywhere else.
Show us some photos then. Your words can't be taken for granted, it might be all lies. By the way, are most those 'luxurious' apartments over 10 stories tall? If not, then referring to those lowrise buildings is irrelevant here at skyscrapercity.

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The way you spoke earlier, I assumed London already had hundreds of tall luxarious apartments?

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I think there are alot of people on these forums who are taking London's highrise boom with a bit of a "chip on their shoulder" ... and it is also fact that despite these cities mentioned building lots of nice towers, they are also building 50 x more bloody atrocious ones which effectively cancels your argument out in one go.
I don't have a chip on my shoulder regarding London's high-rise boom. I just think it has a long way to go. I don't see the London skyline changing that radically in the next 12 ears when other major skylines of the world have evolved over decades.

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London has always had a modern cityscape. Indeed it is the best city in the world when it comes to balancing old with new. The amount of architectural styles is unrivalled and they have managed it spectacularly well.
This I will certaiinly agree with.

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The question posed wasn't about what the best skyline is now but in 12 years time. And it's didn't specifically ask for the "best" but "one" of the best.
"Best" is of course subjective anyway. Anybody can say whatever city they want as far as what they think will be one of the Best Skylines by 2025 based on what's planned for a particular city.

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London has all the attributes, it has historical monuments, cathedrals, church spires, stadiums, arena's, cable cars along side new modern day towers that all make the skyline so much more interesting to look at then a mass of glass and concrete blocks.
I never considered all of this as part of a skyline, but if you want to throw it all in, fine. We all have our own idea of what makes a great skyline.

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It's not all about density, quantity. This mindset is ridiculous. If it was then why bother even employing world class architects.
No, it's not necesssarily all about density and quantity, but if that's what others like, then that's what others like. A lot of people don't like Miami's new skyline because it's too short, boring, and boxy, and I understand that, but it's only filler compared to what's coming, so we wait and see what happens.

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Or shall we wait till 2025??
Yes, we wait!
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With all due respect, there's no way in hell that London will make a best skyline list by 2025. To suggest so is going to elicit responses like that made by '808 state'.... and we're well aware of what is built, under construction, and proposed in that city.

Some Londoners seem to be living in a bubble. Perhaps they should get out in the world before making such ludicrous suggestions?
You took the words right out of my mouth

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Some nice photos you've got there. Pics of Shenzhen never cease to amaze me, makes me wonder why China doesn't exhibit Shenzhen in the same fashion as Shanghai? It's got natural beauty in addition to the amazing skyline.

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You took the words right out of my mouth

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More like an army of trolls, they believe only their city is world class and the rest are trash (aka- 3rd world). Seriously annoying
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