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Old May 2nd, 2017, 06:54 AM   #3261
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I think he means "Is the demand for tall towers truly there?" After all, the reason it's expensive in established urban centers is because the demand for more space is high, whereas in places like Dubai you could just as easily, and likely for less money, build something shorter. However, the market conditions for Dubai are quite unique.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 10:09 AM   #3262
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 02:27 PM   #3263
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Another contender from Asia
KUALA LUMPUR
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As what it is now... 2017. One can only imagines what it will look like comes 2025 with dozens of supertalls and megatalls in the line...
Man, Kuala Lumpur is a serious contender here. Not an easy way to victory for NY and Shenzhen, not at all!
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 11:44 PM   #3264
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It's the same whether they build it in Jakarta or Paris.
It's just that they are valued differently because of currency exchange.
If constructing a skyscaper in Paris needs certain amount of labour hour and materials, then the same amount is needed to build it in Jakarta. No more, no less.
You're dismissing the cost of labour, land, materials, and conforming to local regulations. In places like Dubai they strip out the cost of labour by importing poor people who work for practically nothing. It would be illegal in the West to do that.

It's not just a matter of exchange rates.
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Old May 3rd, 2017, 01:43 AM   #3265
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It's the same whether they build it in Jakarta or Paris.
It's just that they are valued differently because of currency exchange.
If constructing a skyscaper in Paris needs certain amount of labour hour and materials, then the same amount is needed to build it in Jakarta. No more, no less.
Actually the most 'expensive' buildings are in East Asia. The building codes demand much more engineering, as the codes have to withstand strong earthquakes as well as bi-annual typhoons, and 1-in-50 year megafloods. Build them anywhere else and they would break records. China is building so much, so fast because it knows it has this one window of opportunity to do so before it becomes too expensive, while labour, logistics, design and materials are relatively cheap.

Chengdu would be a good example, a highrise, modern city of 10 million that rode out 3 minutes of an 8.0 earthquake in 2008 (equating to twice the intensity of global earthquake proofing, set at 7.8), without any major collapses and minimal deaths (the countryside however, with corrupted building codes, old buildings and thousands of landslides, was another matter entirely).



You can see the intensity of shaking here, (and the quake lasted 3 minutes):

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Old May 3rd, 2017, 06:11 AM   #3266
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Some more Toronto renderings. It's the same model as posted earlier but from different angles.

100m+ Buildings
Built: 277
Under Construction: 59
Proposed: 222


Looking northeast


Looking south from Yonge/Eglinton

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Old May 4th, 2017, 09:21 AM   #3267
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It's the same whether they build it in Jakarta or Paris.
It's just that they are valued differently because of currency exchange.
If constructing a skyscaper in Paris needs certain amount of labour hour and materials, then the same amount is needed to build it in Jakarta. No more, no less.
Nope Sorry, Land value alone makes building massive towers in "western" traditional cities prohibitive. Instead of this influx of mega towers in say a New York or Chicago or Shanghai or Tokyo they are going to Toronto, and Edmonton etc. where traditionally you wouldn't have a need for such towers because land is cheaper and as such they get more squatter, bigger footprint buildings.
Labor hour and materials would also be way more expensive in these "traditional" cities.
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Old May 4th, 2017, 10:54 AM   #3268
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I think what he means is expense in 'real' terms. The cost of a brick and a bricklayer may be 8x more in Paris than in Jakarta, but they are the same 'worth' - you get the same product and result.

It's a bit like the nominal versus PPP argument. You take away the pegging/ currency fluctuations and measure worth on the product itself.

The grey area is usually in the quality of services rather than material. Is the Parisian bricklayer more adept than the Indonesian one? Is a single Parisian bricklayer more adept than 8 Indonesian ones?
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Old May 4th, 2017, 04:24 PM   #3269
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Nope Sorry, Land value alone makes building massive towers in "western" traditional cities prohibitive. Instead of this influx of mega towers in say a New York or Chicago or Shanghai or Tokyo they are going to Toronto, and Edmonton etc. where traditionally you wouldn't have a need for such towers because land is cheaper and as such they get more squatter, bigger footprint buildings.
Toronto has been a skyscraper city since the dawn of the skyscraper in the 1880s. Toronto builds a ton of tall buildings on tight lots because of huge demand and pricey real estate. Land is far more expensive and demand many times higher than what you see in Chicago.

Edmonton is building taller for a number of reasons. The city adds ~35,000 people annually (a lot more than Chicago), Canadian urban planning policies encourage high density (built around transit), and their City Centre airport closed in 2014 scrapping the need for height restrictions.

Your post is one of the stranger ones I've come across.
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Old May 4th, 2017, 07:40 PM   #3270
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he stated that simply because hollywood (media) isnt in the same country with Toronto i guess... by american (i mean US medias) standard, Miami's image might fares better than the Canadian capital...
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Old May 5th, 2017, 05:21 AM   #3271
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It is what it is.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 04:10 AM   #3272
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i just noticed that my location isnt showing. Im based in Sydney Australia, a complete missmash of talls and satellite city scapes. If you where to take a picture similar to the one of Toronto you would see pocket cities with groups 50 story towers clumped together and then nothing for a couple more suburbs then another pocket. We do it differently here haha

And what i was saying wasn't meant to cause offense or indignation. I just wanted to know what the thinking was to build a mega tower in a location that wouldn't from an outsiders view necessitate having one there in the first place.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 06:13 AM   #3273
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NYC's Central Park Skyline - the supertall "billionaires' row"


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NYC-20170506-001-2 by CucombreLibre, on Flickr

new towers under construction:
Central Park Tower (217-225 West 57th Street) - 1550ft
111 West 57th Street - 1438ft
53 West 53rd (Tower Verre) - 1050ft
220 Central Park South - 950ft [topped out - right side]
520 Park Avenue - 781ft [topped out - left side]

Completed supertalls:
432 Park Avenue - 1396ft
One57 - 1005ft

Proposed:
151 East 60th Street - 1240ft
1 Park Lane - 1215ft
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Old May 8th, 2017, 08:59 PM   #3274
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You can see the intensity of shaking here, (and the quake lasted 3 minutes):
Yes, I can see the intensity of the shaking camera.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 06:08 AM   #3275
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New York skyline is going to resemble thin needle buildings overlooking the park. I read that the top of the newest tower with the top 4 levels is a penthouse. for Sale price? US$250mil. Includes monthly US$40k strata costs, and yearly US$600k council/borough costs.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 06:04 PM   #3276
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Melbourne is currently undergoing the biggest skyscraper construction boom ever seen in Australia. This is what our skyline will look like by around 2020/21 - although there are a number of lower and mid-range developments not included in this model.

t also does not include the approved 323m Crown Queensbridge Tower and is only of the CBD, thus excluding other suburban developments such as the UC 178m Capitol Grand Tower (in South Yarra for those interested).



Thanks to Laurence Dragomir over at Urban Melbourne https://urban.melbourne
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north end of the city is getting some serious development. especially that super tall which i apologize i dont recognize.
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Miami finally needs to start building one of its half a dozen supertall proposals.
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Old May 16th, 2017, 01:01 AM   #3280
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Toronto 2025


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TO's tallest structures by 2022


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