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Old July 16th, 2017, 12:00 PM   #3321
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The huge difference in the number of highrise buildings between Kuala Lumpur and an American city like San Francisco, has to do with differences in zoning/regulations, as well as land and construction costs.
Probably has a lot more to do with how big company headquarters are spread around the country. In Indonesia chances are pretty much everyone has their headquarters in Jakarta, in Malaysia chances are pretty much everyone has their headquarters in Kuala Lumpur, in the United States it could be in NYC, Chicago, LA, Atlanta, Houston, San Francisco, Boston, Seattle, Miami, etcetc or any of the dozens of big cities that are business hubs.
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Old July 17th, 2017, 04:09 AM   #3322
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Probably has a lot more to do with how big company headquarters are spread around the country. In Indonesia chances are pretty much everyone has their headquarters in Jakarta, in Malaysia chances are pretty much everyone has their headquarters in Kuala Lumpur, in the United States it could be in NYC, Chicago, LA, Atlanta, Houston, San Francisco, Boston, Seattle, Miami, etcetc or any of the dozens of big cities that are business hubs.
China is the same. I have traveled to China on business so i'm familiar with it. But there are mega cities being developed / enhanced that many have never even heard of outside these pages
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Old July 20th, 2017, 10:59 AM   #3323
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Chicago 2025: Includes all projects currently under construction and proposed/in development (montage by me and original photo by Jareb Arguello)



And here is the current skyline for reference:


Untitled by Jareb Arguello, on Flickr
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Old July 22nd, 2017, 08:55 PM   #3324
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Shenzhen Houhai CBD ten years ago it was all low rises.

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Old July 24th, 2017, 06:54 AM   #3325
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Race For The Sky: The Quest For Toronto's First Supertall Tower

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Toronto is certainly no stranger to height. Home to the iconic CN Tower, we proudly laid claim to the tallest freestanding structure in the world for 32 years from 1975 to 2007. Rising side-by-side with it was First Canadian Place, the city's second-tallest structure and still the tallest building in Canada, also completed in 1975.

Recently, however, First Canadian Place's claim as the tallest building in Canada is under threat, as a new wave of towers are in the works that look to surpass its 298-metre height. Currently there are six candidates vying for the title of Toronto's tallest building (as opposed to a tower, of course), each at various stages of the planning process. These proposals aim to join the global trend of the 'supertall', defined as any building that surpasses 300 metres in total height (1000 feet in imperial units)—a title that First Canadian Place sadly missed out on by a mere two metres.



YSL Residences: 343.9 metres

By far the tallest of the proposed towers, Cresford Developments' 98-storey mixed-use behemoth is slated for the southeast corner of Yonge and Gerrard Streets. Kitty corner to the soaring Aura tower, which currently holds the title of Canada's tallest residential building, YSL Residences is designed by Kohn Pederson Fox alongside architectsAlliance, and is looking to join the quickly densifying Yonge Street Corridor north of the Financial District.



One Yonge Street, Tower One: 307 metres

Coming in second place height-wise is Pinnacle International's 95-storey mixed-use tower, located at the foot of Yonge Street near Toronto's waterfront. Known officially, for the time being, as Tower One—even though it will not be the first tower to be built here—the supertall structure is part of a larger master plan at 1-7 Yonge to redevelop the Toronto Star Lands into a new mixed-use community.



The One: 306.3 metres

Just two feet shy of One Yonge's height, but likely the first of the supertall towers we will see constructed, Mizrahi Developments' The One is slated for the southwest corner of Yonge and Bloor Streets. Designed by world-renowned starchitects Foster + Partners alongside Core Architects, the tower will rise 82 storeys above one of the busiest and most important intersections in the city.



Mirvish + Gehry, West Tower: 304.3 metres

When it was first proposed back in 2012, the prospect of David Mirvish and starchitect Frank Gehry teaming up created quite the stir, notwithstanding the fact that the towers were among the tallest in the city. Projectcore, the developers heading the project, went through several iterations of Mirvish+Gehry before being approved for rezoning in 2014. Since then, however, news has been scarce, much to the chagrin of its fans, but an application for Site Plan Control was submitted in spring 2016, signalling that the project is still in the works.



LCBO Lands Block 4, Towers B & C: 304.1 metres each

Moving back down to Toronto's growing waterfront, the final two buildings on our list come in the form of twin supertall towers that are part of Menkes' redevelopment of the LCBO Lands. Located immediately next door to 1-7 Yonge, the master plan for the LCBO site is proposed to host 6 towers measuring in at 89, 89, 80, 79, 75, and 25 storeys. Designed by architectsAlliance, the entire master plan aims to bring a total of 5,192 residential units, over 42,200 square metres of office space, and roughly 28,700 square metres of retail to the waterfront site.


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Old July 24th, 2017, 09:17 AM   #3326
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Love Waterfront Works. They need to be iconic and beautiful though as they will be there for a long time with nothing built in front of them
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Old July 24th, 2017, 12:55 PM   #3327
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Love Waterfront Works. They need to be iconic and beautiful though as they will be there for a long time with nothing built in front of them
Agreed! However, looking eastward from Humber Bay Park, there will be many buildings in downtown between 200m-300m, so One Yonge, a 307m building, could be not that iconic anymore.

YSL Residences (344m) could be iconic, it would be 69m higher than Aura (275m), the building to the right of YSL Residences.

Because of the CN Tower (553m) which dwarfs other buildings, I think Toronto needs a 450m-500m building in downtown to be iconic.


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Old July 25th, 2017, 02:40 AM   #3328
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Old July 25th, 2017, 03:45 AM   #3329
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YSL Residences (344m) could be iconic, it would be 69m higher than Aura (275m), the building to the right of YSL Residences.
YSL would be to the right of AURA. In that photo it would be behind those 2 Chelsea Eaton towers.
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Old July 25th, 2017, 07:50 AM   #3330
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That Chicago pic is awesome although Wolf Point is way too tall and that proposal for the spire site is just fantasy. What's the really tall building between Wolf Point and Trump Tower though?
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Old July 25th, 2017, 09:40 AM   #3331
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Agreed! However, looking eastward from Humber Bay Park, there will be many buildings in downtown between 200m-300m, so One Yonge, a 307m building, could be not that iconic anymore.

YSL Residences (344m) could be iconic, it would be 69m higher than Aura (275m), the building to the right of YSL Residences.

Because of the CN Tower (553m) which dwarfs other buildings, I think Toronto needs a 450m-500m building in downtown to be iconic.
i think i know what you are referring to....kind of trying to bookend the city with super talls instead of having the classical ideal of a central supertall and having everything cascading away from it . im a fan of the later ideal tbh but because Toronto is so spread out maybe having 2 separate versions of this would work. Uptown and downtown CBDs with residences in the middle.
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Old July 25th, 2017, 08:07 PM   #3332
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Old July 26th, 2017, 02:24 PM   #3333
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Two cities are in a league of their own by 2025 because of giant, imposing skylines:
1a. New York: It will take a lot to beat the 2025 NY skyline given NY current ranking as well as scale of development
1b. Shenzhen: If shenzhen follows through with building all of their proposals: they will be number 1



Four cities will then be closely ranked from 3 to 6:
3. Shanghai: 2025 is a long way away and since megatalls take around that much time from proposal to completion, i don't see the development of any major landmark towers, i foresee instead a few supertalls and skyscrapers being built in Shanghai but relative to Shanghai Tower, these would almost not be fillers. I also see new CBDs forming but these populated with skyscrapers that are not imposing atleast when seen from Shanghai Tower. They would thus look like fillers in the background slightly higher than the norm.
4. Hong Kong: I don't see much happening in Hong Kong, mainly because I foresee attempts to move offices to Qianhai in Shenzhen (would like to be proved wrong). I think that it has already lost its current ranking to Shanghai though, and if it doesnt build some more supertalls, will fall behind even more.
5. Dubai: People dismiss Dubai which is understandable given the low occupancy rates of their giant buildings, as well as lack of organic growth to the cities, but Dubai is very young and had loads of capital to start with a clean sheet of paper. With the major megatall, hypertall development and growth of clusters in Downtown, Marina Bay, Sheik Zayed Rd I see its skyline as rising rapidly in the ranks (ala New York and Shenzhen)
6. Kuala Lumpur: Crazy development and very tall longer term proposals. There is very good density in KL which brings all the tall buildings together, and the location and proximity to each other will retain the singleton/single cluster which is great for because the whole thing can be captured in one shot.

7. Guangzhou: I see lots of development in Guangzhou over the next few years as it looks to become a global leader in software industry, AI, automation. I thus see a major increase in grade A office space, as well as growth of a second major CBD. Unlike Shanghai, this second CBD has plans for some very tall buildings, which are also fairly close to Chow Thai Fook and IFC. I love the look of bimodal distributions and i think that 2 adjacent CBDs along a river building up into each other would look really great! This is also a very tall skyline!
8. Chongqing: If it weren't for those beautiful rivers Chongqing would not be in the top 10, but those rivers really frame the skyline and CBDs so well. With the development of supertalls and the Raffles City crown jewel in Yuzhong, as well as growth of tall clusters in Nanpingzhen and wulidan, I really see this city rising to number 8 because of density, aesthetics and size.

9-10 will be a tossup between:
Toronto
Wuhan
Tianjin
Chicago
Nanning
Beijing
Bangkok
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In my opinion Dubai's skyline is not rising up the ranks, its skyline already is way up there in the top ranks.

This is a quick photoshop I did with Midtown Manhattan's silhoulette lined up with Sheikh Zayed Road - Downtown's silhoulette, with the major landmark buildings heights to scale as best as I could. The sheer size and scale of Dubai's skyline can absolutely hold its own at the top of the rankings.

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In my opinion Dubai's skyline is not rising up the ranks, its skyline already is way up there in the top ranks.

This is a quick photoshop I did with Midtown Manhattan's silhoulette lined up with Sheikh Zayed Road - Downtown's silhoulette, with the major landmark buildings heights to scale as best as I could. The sheer size and scale of Dubai's skyline can absolutely hold its own at the top of the rankings.

Nice comparison but somewhat misleading, for Dubai is basically a longish strip development. NYC and many other cities have a three-dimensional quality that Dubai sorely lacks. So Dubai is impressive from a few angles only while others because they have some depths and density, have a certain proportional balance when seen from many different viewpoints.

Furthermore, you didn't include NYC downtown area in the silhouette shot. So, by my reckoning, Dubai is not yet at the top. A solitary very tall tower is not enough to hold the skyline together, in fact, it serves to accentuate the imbalance of the skyline.
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That's the best angle though (looking from west). Looks smaller looking from the south.
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That's the best angle though (looking from west). Looks smaller looking from the south.
Sure because looking from the south 80% of it is hidden behind a wall of towers. The skyline stretches 4.5km inland but you don't get a sense of that at all from the lake.
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Sure because looking from the south 80% of it is hidden behind a wall of towers. The skyline stretches 5km inland but you don't get a sense of that at all from the lake.
Yup and that's mostly due to city planning (ie: not having a downtown relief line), so the city keeps stretching along Yonge line...
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Yup and that's mostly due to city planning (ie: not having a downtown relief line), so the city keeps stretching along Yonge line...
I'm glad they built the Yonge Line first. If they hadn't we'd have ended up with a linear skyline hugging the lake with not much of interest inland. The Yonge Street spine wouldn't be what it is today.

Toronto only recently started building along the lake front east and west. We'll end up with the best of both worlds.
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if you look at Manhattan (and most other top 10 candidates) from one side, its completely different from the opposite. If you look at the SZR skyline from one side, it's the other side flipped.

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