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Old August 8th, 2013, 12:44 PM   #361
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Manila?? Seriously?? Say's it all about this thread really. Anyone who thinks Manila's skyline is world class has a serious size fascination or never been. Please visit. It just highlights peoples fascination with quantity when people nominate that place as a world class skyline. It's like nominating Benidorm just because it's got hundreds of commie blocks and building a hundred more. Doesn't change the fact it is the definition of "crap" despite it looking from a distance really quite good.

I do have to agree. While Metro manila has a sea of skyscrapers, the great majority of them, are uninspired and boring. There are of course wonderful examples of architecture but it can't make up for the others.

By sheer quantity, I'd even say it is in the top 15 at least. But if we base on quality, it ranks far lower.

Of it depends on what we define as best? Some lean on quantity, some lean on quality, others lean on diversity.
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This thread pertains to 2025. You have no idea what's being built there, do you? I nominate the Westmount Square skyline then. International Style elegance. Quality over quantity.

I visited late 2011. The skyline looks so good until you get up close and personal. It's distasteful and chavvy. Canyons of rubbish laced with the occasional spectacular building. It's a horrid cityscape and belittles the skyline. It is a Benidorm on steriods that's swallowed a glow worm. That's all. Nothing architecturally special about it at all despite it looking amazing from a distance.
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Manila?? Seriously?? Say's it all about this thread really. Anyone who thinks Manila's skyline is world class has a serious size fascination or never been. Please visit. It just highlights peoples fascination with quantity when people nominate that place as a world class skyline. It's like nominating Benidorm just because it's got hundreds of commie blocks and building a hundred more. Doesn't change the fact it is the definition of "crap" despite it looking from a distance really quite good.
This source puts Manila currently at number 14 in the world, so it's not just Isaidso who thinks this. This is not just some off the wall isolated opinion.

http://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html
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Old August 8th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #364
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This source puts Manila currently at number 14 in the world, so it's not just Isaidso who thinks this. This is not just some off the wall isolated opinion.

http://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html
It's done by quantity. Not quality. As Great184 said. Quality, Diversity, Quantity in that order. Manila has 1 of those 3. Not a world class skyline despite being packed to the rafters with highrises. If you ever visit you would soon recognise this.
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This source puts Manila currently at number 14 in the world, so it's not just Isaidso who thinks this. This is not just some off the wall isolated opinion.

http://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html
But the source is already old.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 07:05 PM   #366
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It's done by quantity. Not quality. As Great184 said. Quality, Diversity, Quantity in that order. Manila has 1 of those 3. Not a world class skyline despite being packed to the rafters with highrises. If you ever visit you would soon recognise this.
Manila has medium quality. Not the best.. but good still, Not as bad as you suggest.
Diversity? Definitely! We don't have commie blocks as you suggest.

You should visit the city again. (specially Fort Bonifacio CBD)
You have no idea what changed in the last 2 years.. and soon in the comming more years.

I cant say for sure that Manila will be in the world's top 10 in 2025, competition is really stiff. But it sure has a very good chance in the top 20 at least.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 07:37 PM   #367
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But the source is already old.
By one year, okay. That's not my point anyway. (See below)

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It's done by quantity. Not quality. As Great184 said. Quality, Diversity, Quantity in that order. Manila has 1 of those 3. Not a world class skyline despite being packed to the rafters with highrises. If you ever visit you would soon recognise this.
The point I was making is that Isaidso is not in a vacuum all by himself with his opinion, which he is entitled to. Now when it comes to assessing a skyline, when it comes to what someone thinks is best, if they want to give more weight to quantity, then they can do that if they want. Quantity is measurable. Aesthetics (diversity/quality) are more subjective than quantity.

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Manila?? Seriously?? Say's it all about this thread really. Anyone who thinks Manila's skyline is world class has a serious size fascination or never been. Please visit. It just highlights peoples fascination with quantity when people nominate that place as a world class skyline. It's like nominating Benidorm just because it's got hundreds of commie blocks and building a hundred more. Doesn't change the fact it is the definition of "crap" despite it looking from a distance really quite good.
To me, this looks like crap. As long as I have height, I'll take boring, boxy sameness over this any day. Best is subjective, so you can't really argue it.
To each his own. I've held my tongue about the London skyline because I know how much people love their skylines, but you've left me no choice. I'd even take Benidorm's commie blocks over something like this.

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I think by 2025 Manila will definitely be in the top 15.
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I think by 2025 Manila will definitely be in the top 15.
Manila is in the top 15 now according to the source I quoted. It's just a matter of whether or not it can stay there. And when it comes to skylines, I like seeing a sea of buildings over 500 feet tall. That is my personal preference of which I am entitled when it comes to what I think is best.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #370
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Just FYI, there are about 50 200m+ buildings currently under construction / on hold / in preparation / approved / proposed in New York City.
58 buildings over 200m are completed and topped out, respectively.

Thus New York could have more than 100 skyscrapers completed by 2025.
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Manila is in the top 15 now according to the source I quoted. It's just a matter of whether or not it can stay there. And when it comes to skylines, I like seeing a sea of buildings over 500 feet tall. That is my personal preference of which I am entitled when it comes to what I think is best.
i mean not only by quantity but also by quality. I said so bcoz Manila has a huge number of under construction buildings (mostly in the 100-250 meter range though).
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Old August 8th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #372
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Quality, Diversity, Quantity are important... and quality is what most Asians lack.
Quality, quantity and diversity = New York, Toronto, Chicago, Shanghai
Quantity and diversity = Hong Kong, Dubai, Shenzen, Beijing
Quantity = Most Asian cities.

Just quality and diversity = Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, Panama City, London, Paris, Moscow, Seattle, Houston, Dallas, Perth, Sydney etc.
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Just FYI, there are about 50 200m+ buildings currently under construction / on hold / in preparation / approved / proposed in New York City.
58 buildings over 200m are completed and topped out, respectively.

Thus New York could have more than 100 skyscrapers completed by 2025.
Newyork is alwayz there...

Mumbai only have 8 200m+ buildings currently.

Code:
~ Imperial tower 1 ----------- Tardeo ------- 254m ---- 62fl
~ Imperial tower 2 ----------- Tardeo ------- 254m ---- 62fl
~ Lodha Bellissimo A & B------ Mahalaxmi---- -222m ---- 53fl
~ Lodha Bellissimo C---------  Mahalaxmi------222m---- -53fl  
~ Kohinoor square ----------  Dadar --------- 203m -- -- 52fl
~ Vivarea 1 ----------------  Mahalaxmi ------200m ---- 45fl
~ Vivarea 2 ----------------- Mahalaxmi ----- 200m ---- 45fl
~ Vivarea 3 ----------------- Mahalaxmi ----- 200m ---- 45fl
A few under construction

Code:
1. World one --------------- Lower parel------ 442m ----- 117fl
2. Oasis worli -------------- Worli --- ---- ---  386m -----  85fl
3. DB Crown 1 ------------- Prabhadevi ------  337m -----  75fl
4. DB Crown 2 ---------- --  Prabhadevi ------ 337m ------  75fl
5. Palais royale ---------- -- Worli -- ------- - 320m ------  75fl
6. Minerva -----------------  Mahalaxmi --- --- 304m ------  82fl
7. Namaste tower ---------- Lower parel -- - - 301m ------  62fl
8. Omkar worli 1 ------------ Worli ------ ----  300m+------ (??)
9. Omkar worli 2 -----------  Worli ------ ----  300m+------  (??)
10. Omkar worli 3 -----------Worli ------------ 300m+----    (??)
11. IB Sky suites ----------  Lower parel ------ 291m ------- 75fl
12. IB Sky forest ----------- Lower parel -----  281m ------- 80fl
13. One Avigna park -------- Lower parel -----  266m ------- 64fl
14.Nathani heights ----------Mumbai central----262m--------72fl
15. Nirvana 1 --------------  Borivali ---------- 250m ------- 61fl
16. Ahuja towers ------- --- Prabhadevi ------- 250m ---- -- 53fl
17. Oasis 2------------------Worli -------------239m --------52fl
18. World crest -------- - -- Lower parel -- -- - 223m ------- 57fl
19. Orbit terraces ------ --- Lower parel -- ---- 207m ------- 61fl
20. Lodha Dioro 1-------- -- Wadala ----------  205m ------- 60+
21. Lodha Dioro 2--------- - Wadala ----------  205m ------- 60+
22. Lodha Elisium 1 ------- - Wadala ----------  205m ------- 60+
23. Lodha Elisium 2 --- ----- Wadala ----------  205m  ------ 60+
24. Lodha Evoq  --- ----- -  Wadala ----------  205m ------- 60+
25. Omkar Altamonte 1-- -- -Malad ----------  ( ??? ) ------- 73fl
26. Omkar Altamonte 2----- -Malad ----------  ( ??? ) ------- 65fl
27. RNA metropolis --------- Sewri -----------  ( ??? ) ------  67fl
28. Lodha Fiorenza --------- Goregaon -------  ( ??? ) ------- 62fl
29. Signia High ------- --- -  Borivali ---------  200m -------  55fl
30. One Indiabulls 1 --------- Worli -----------  200+ -------  50+
31. One Indiabulls 2 --------- Worli ------------ 200+ ------- 50+
32. DB orchid enclave 1 ---- Mumb central ------( ??? ) -----  56fl
33. DB orchid enclave 2 ---- Mumb central ------( ??? ) -----  56fl
And a few more in site prep

Code:
ICC 1  ------------------- Wadala ------------- 300m+------ 79fl
ICC 2 -------------------- Wadala ------------- 300m+------ 79fl
Codename bluemoon1 ---- Lower parel ---------- 268m ------ 78fl
Codename bluemoon2 ---- Lower parel ---------- 268m ------ 78fl
Lodha Venezia 1 - -------- Parel ---------------- ( ??? ) ----- 68fl
Lodha Venezia 2 ---------- Parel ---------------- ( ??? ) ----- 68fl
Eon tower ---------------- Parel ---------------  ( ??? ) ----- 65fl
DB Orchid crown 3 ------- Prabhadevi -----------  250+ ------ 50+
Vivarea fourth tower ----- Mahalaxmi ------------ 200+ ------ 45+
So by 2017-18 Mumbai will have atleast 50 200m+ buildings (skyscrapers)
Not considering the approved/ proposed/ On hold Projects btw (more than 50 projects).
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I visited late 2011. The skyline looks so good until you get up close and personal. It's distasteful and chavvy. Canyons of rubbish laced with the occasional spectacular building. It's a horrid cityscape and belittles the skyline. It is a Benidorm on steriods that's swallowed a glow worm. That's all. Nothing architecturally special about it at all despite it looking amazing from a distance.
That may be so, but this is a list of what people believe will be the best in 2025. Manila is building faster than almost any other city in the world right now and the quality is improving dramatically. If we're looking at a doubling of their skyline (which is very likely) it promises to be an impressive looking place by then.

Quality is important, but so is quantity. There are so many good skylines out there. To be a 'best', you need both. Today Manila and Shenzhen have quantity. In 2025, I think they'll have quality as well. Btw, I view quality as more important than quantity but this is about skylines. Strictly speaking, scale and height is what determines that primarily.

This isn't about what one personally finds interesting/attractive design wise. If that were the case, I'd put Minneapolis in my top 10. It's classic, timeless, and top quality.
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I visited late 2011. The skyline looks so good until you get up close and personal. It's distasteful and chavvy. Canyons of rubbish laced with the occasional spectacular building. It's a horrid cityscape and belittles the skyline. It is a Benidorm on steriods that's swallowed a glow worm. That's all. Nothing architecturally special about it at all despite it looking amazing from a distance.
You better visit the Manila Projects and Construction and see for yourself.Dont look down on us.we know what is beautiful and tacky.
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This isn't about what one personally finds interesting/attractive design wise. If that were the case, I'd put Minneapolis in my top 10. It's classic, timeless, and top quality.
"Best" is a very subjective term. It really depends on the person's tastes. people in SSC tend to like large dense skylines, but a lot of people outside of SSC prefer more compact ones.

In this case "Best" depends on the individual person's criteria. we have diverse tastes here. Kanto for example like a sea of boxes. I like proportionate skylines with office buildings dominating the residential ones. etc. etc.

Now of course marketing and promotion can greatly influence a persons taste. Manila is in the top 15 of many simply because of the overwhelming number of Filipino forumers promoting or posting pictures of MM. By seeing pictures of the same skyline over and over many forumers tend associate that with good. It's like pop music artists, many consider them to be the best artists simply because they are familiar and well-known.

I've stayed in Manila for the past 26 years. I've visited Minneapolis once. Size wise manila takes the cake. But in aesthetics and diversity it doesn't hold a candle to Minneapolis.
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This isn't about what one personally finds interesting/attractive design wise.
It isn't? Best is whatever you want it to be. If it's height and quantity to you, then that's what it is. If it's what a person finds peronally interesting or attractive design-wise, than that's what it is.

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"Best" is a very subjective term..
And I thought I had said it enough times already. You guys can have Minneapolis though, along with a couple of other North American skylines that show up frequently on people's list that would never be on mine.
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This is quality? Seriously? And egg shaped structure, a wannabe glass pyramid, a black box, a midrise with cross-hatch pattern? Some fugly lowrise scattered throughout the area? What's left to be constructed? A ***** shaped tower?

London has neither the 'quality' (!) nor the quantity or height to be part of a skyline discussion, as of now. Lets see what else they can bring by 2025
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Yep, skyscrapers which won numerous awards and which are designed by world's best architects are not quality? I am dare to ask, please show us those marvellous examples of quality skyscrapers or skylines. I want to see those to be enlighted.
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