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Old August 24th, 2013, 09:43 AM   #681
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I agree with you about New York is better than Hong Kong eventually and all the other stuff, But New York is bigger than Hong Kong. The area of development can't be expanded. Although it has a lot of space around the area connecting Shenzhen, but I have heard not to have many buildings, construction, and big area of development because its for the environment. And if that is true where else could they build towers? They can't knock down buildings because there isn't enough space to do so and it might knock down other buildings.

Shanghai's Lijiazui can't compare with NYC because when did it start its first really tall building? Jin Mao was the first megatall in 1999 so in that short time its better than NYC. Shenzhen and Dubai will probably beat NYC soon because with mass construction. For Shenzhen there was a reason for the CBDs to spread out, I live in Honolulu and I have the worst traffic in America. I know what it feels like when everyone rushes in and out during rush hour. Also its megatall and supertall is already more than NYC in u/c, and with the proposals it adds it to be a great skyline. Some people might think NYC is the best that's their opinion.

Also I have a question, I have never heard about Shenzhen emerging to HK, isn't it impossible because HK is an SAR and Shenzhen is mainland china, not sure how that's going to work. Is it going to be Shenzhen becoming an SAR or HK becomes part of mainland China?
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Old August 24th, 2013, 10:02 AM   #682
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New york has like over 20 supertalls or whatever the number was proposed, u/c, or built.. its not like its stagnate.
Shenzhen has 66 supertalls (as of today) in various stages as well if u r talking only about supertalls. Guangzhou has around 30. Both cities will get more supertalls as lot of new CBDs are planned specially for Guangzhou.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 10:16 AM   #683
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Aesthetically pleasing with great balance? Why not Philadelphia?

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But it's not very large and by 2025 it may not be much larger. Like London's and many others, it will delight even if not all are impressed. But more than a few skylines that impress may not delight. To do both, you have to be a Shanghai, Hong Kong, or New York.



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Since London is a lot better than Philadelphia.
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Is there an height limit in midtown?
No. But I can see where your question is coming from ... right now the Midtown plateau is about 700 - 900 feet. Only a few towers, i.e. supertalls, can break through that mass.

Supertalls completed in Midtown:
- Empire State Building, 381m
- Bank of America Tower, 366m
- Chrysler Building, 319m
- New York Times Tower, 319m

Supertalls under construction / prep work in Midtown (+ West Side):
- 225 West 57th Street, 472m (min.)
- 432 Park Avenue, 426m
- Hudson Yards North Tower, 408m
- One Manhattan West, 371m
- 111 West 57th Street, 366m (min.)
- Torre Verre, 320m
- Girasole, 323m
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I agree with you about New York is better than Hong Kong eventually and all the other stuff, But New York is bigger than Hong Kong. The area of development can't be expanded. Although it has a lot of space around the area connecting Shenzhen, but I have heard not to have many buildings, construction, and big area of development because its for the environment. And if that is true where else could they build towers? They can't knock down buildings because there isn't enough space to do so and it might knock down other buildings.

Shanghai's Lijiazui can't compare with NYC because when did it start its first really tall building? Jin Mao was the first megatall in 1999 so in that short time its better than NYC. Shenzhen and Dubai will probably beat NYC soon because with mass construction. For Shenzhen there was a reason for the A to spread out, I live in Honolulu and I have the worst traffic in America. I know what it feels like when everyone rushes in and out during rush hour. Also its megatall and supertall is already more than NYC in u/c, and with the proposals it adds it to be a great skyline. Some people might think NYC is the best that's their opinion.

Also I have a question, I have never heard about Shenzhen emerging to HK, isn't it impossible because HK is an SAR and Shenzhen is mainland china, not sure how that's going to work. Is it going to be Shenzhen becoming an SAR or HK becomes part of mainland China?
Dubai already has about 20 supertalls, yet hardly anyone here on SSC has it as number 1. It's not enough to just build supertalls en masse, you need quality and density too. Just take a look at the Dubai Marina ...

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Shenzhen has 66 supertalls (as of today) in various stages as well if u r talking only about supertalls. Guangzhou has around 30. Both cities will get more supertalls as lot of new CBDs are planned specially for Guangzhou.
And shenzens skyline looks like a hot mess either way
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Old August 25th, 2013, 05:38 AM   #692
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And shenzens skyline looks like a hot mess either way
Yeah now, but give the same time NYC had and I bet Shenzhen would be better.
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Yeah now, but give the same time NYC had and I bet Shenzhen would be better.
adding a bunch of tall buildings all spread out won't make much difference..a built thats 975 ft or 1000 ft doesn't really matter if its all spread out looking a mess.

I'm not saying some parts won't be nice, but still a mess
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In reference to Philadelphia skyline: The One Liberty building killed that skyline, I love that skyscraper so much. Although it was built in 1987, it's still as new as ever. Philadelphia cannot and will not be in the top 15 unless it adds more supertalls.
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adding a bunch of tall buildings all spread out won't make much difference..a built thats 975 ft or 1000 ft doesn't really matter if its all spread out looking a mess.

I'm not saying some parts won't be nice, but still a mess
How is a mess now, with a good skyline, the skyline can no longer be said its bad. Like I have said before, if you give the same time NYC had and give it to Shenzhen, Shenzhen would be a lot better than NYC.
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How is a mess now, with a good skyline, the skyline can no longer be said its bad. Like I have said before, if you give the same time NYC had and give it to Shenzhen, Shenzhen would be a lot better than NYC.
Well yes obviously because now we have the knowledge and materials to build skyscrapers.
New York was a pioneer in building methods and materials and the know-how we have to today we gleamed by them a century ago.
They have done the hard work for you.
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How is a mess now, with a good skyline, the skyline can no longer be said its bad. Like I have said before, if you give the same time NYC had and give it to Shenzhen, Shenzhen would be a lot better than NYC.
Wake me up when Shenzhen achieves New York's level of architectural grandeur and density. Also, the skyscrapers canyons in Downtown and Midtown (especially) are awe-inspiring.

For a world's best skyline you need many factors:
1. Tall skyscrapers, at least a couple of supertalls
2. Many, many skyscrapers (New York has got about 60 200m+, ~250 150m+, ~800 100m+ towers ), i.e. quantity
3. Class and uniqueness
4. Backround (mountains, ocean, lake etc.)
5. Architectural style
6. Quality

And guess what? New York has them all.
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Wake me up when Shenzhen achieves New York's level of architectural grandeur and density. Also, the skyscrapers canyons in Downtown and Midtown (especially) are awe-inspiring.

For a world's best skyline you need many factors:
1. Tall skyscrapers, at least a couple of supertalls
2. Many, many skyscrapers (New York has got about 60 200m+, ~250 150m+, ~800 100m+ towers ), i.e. quantity
3. Class and uniqueness
4. Backround (mountains, ocean, lake etc.)
5. Architectural style
6. Quality

And guess what? New York has them all.
Lets see how these criterias apply to Shenzhen
1. Shenzhen has 10 supertalls U/C, 6 more under preparation (3 completed supertalls currently exist)
2. Shenzhen already got 26 buildings between 200-299m height range, 18 more are under construction (maybe more, i could count this much only).
3. New York is definitely ahead in uniqueness of architecture
4. Shenzhen's got all of them, New York skyline doesn't have mountains nearby
6. New York is much ahead as of now

Shenzhen was established just 30 years ago, give it 15 years more then see what happens. New York took its time to reach today's position.
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