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Old October 11th, 2013, 01:00 PM   #841
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Maybe we should rename this thread "Biggest skyline by 2025" rather then "best" as that is what the discussion has turned into.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #842
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^ There's a thread on that one already in another part of this forum.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #843
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Maybe we should rename this thread "Biggest skyline by 2025" rather then "best" as that is what the discussion has turned into.
In the modern world, a skyline is predominantly about height and scale. Best? Biggest? You're right that they're not the same thing, but a skyline's just not going to be considered for a 'best' list unless it's also big.

Architecture, layering, setting, quality? Those things matter a great deal, but it's what separates a Panama City from a Singapore.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #844
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Maybe we should rename this thread "Biggest skyline by 2025" rather then "best" as that is what the discussion has turned into.
well to put it simply.. the thread is "more about" developments and future constructions and growth towards 2025.

Yep.. size should only be one of the criteria. We just got swayed and distracted by the AMAZIIIIIIIIING growth some cities are and will be experiencing.
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Old October 12th, 2013, 05:01 AM   #845
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I never realised how massive Toronto skyline is, it's got real density whic is the thing that London needs more of, just some normal boxy towers to build up the density, and then put our more modern and standout towers in the centre, that would be great, my personal skyline ranking for the world
1. Hong Kong
2. New York
3. Shanghai
4. Toronto
5. Chicago
6. Shenzhen
7. Guangzhou
8. Chongqing
9. Tianjin
10.moscow
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Old October 12th, 2013, 11:20 AM   #846
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u said guangzhou twice..... And where hk?
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Old October 12th, 2013, 11:33 AM   #847
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He has HK at #1.
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Old October 12th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #848
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In the modern world, a skyline is predominantly about height and scale. Best? Biggest? You're right that they're not the same thing, but a skyline's just not going to be considered for a 'best' list unless it's also big.

Architecture, layering, setting, quality? Those things matter a great deal, but it's what separates a Panama City from a Singapore.
A not-so-big skyline can be considered for a best list, but it is not likely to be rated highly. Biggest and best overlap when people give more weight to the size of a skyline in their overall assessment. If biggest is what makes best to some people, they are entitled to that.

In North America, Seattle and Vancouver are almost always ranked higher than Miami because many people find their skylines more aesthetically-appealing, even though Miami has a bigger skyline overall. I don't agree with them and consider them both to be overrated North American skylines, but to each his own.
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Old October 12th, 2013, 08:35 PM   #849
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Size and scale is definitely the largest consideration when it comes to what is the best, as such no European city will ever be the best, and people who say that biggest doesn't mean best are usually from cities that don't have big skylines
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Old October 12th, 2013, 11:46 PM   #850
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Size and scale are a major consideration. However, I give strong weigh to other factors like placement, quality, spread, etc. Some skylines are not massive, yet they just look amazing and captivate you from one ore many angles. Take the Chicago skyline for instance. It definitely has height and quality as well as placement. And it looks different and appealing from many angles. Toronto's skyline, as another example, is dense and massive but lacks in my opinion iconic supertalls. And it just doesn't look breathtaking from many, if not few, points of view.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 03:42 AM   #851
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I've always found Toronto very odd in that regard. It looks spectacular from certain angles, then strangely under-whelming from others. A few things seem to be at play: the dwarfing effect of the CN Tower, a stacked density in the CBD next to a huge swath of middling density up to Yorkville, and the sheer size of the core (it's 5km from the lake to Yorkville).

Below is an example of the middling type density to be found in the core. It's starting to fill in, but does make parts of the core look under sized from lots of angles. You can see 4 towers under construction on this strip of Yonge Street. About 10 more are currently proposed, but it could do with 2-3 350m+ buildings.

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The current boom is mitigating all of those things, but Toronto will need the current crop of proposals built before that large core builds up to the CN Tower and fills in everywhere else. If those proposals get built, Toronto's skyline will likely look imposing from every angle.

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A not-so-big skyline can be considered for a best list, but it is not likely to be rated highly. Biggest and best overlap when people give more weight to the size of a skyline in their overall assessment. If biggest is what makes best to some people, they are entitled to that.

In North America, Seattle and Vancouver are almost always ranked higher than Miami because many people find their skylines more aesthetic appealing, even though Miami has a bigger skyline overall. I don't agree with them and consider them both to be overrated North American skylines, but to each his own.
I agree with most of that. Seattle and Vancouver are prime examples of smallish skylines that people rank higher than scale would dictate. Shenzhen is a great example of the opposite: a skyline that has the heft to be a top 6, but is rarely ranked that high.

That said, I don't think quality, setting, and beauty is enough to elevate a skyline that's maybe 40th largest in the world into a top 20. In the same vein, I can't justify dropping a skyline that is 6th or 7th largest in the world out of a top 20.
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Metro Manila city it small , ugly and boring please stop spamming
No, metro Manila is huge, I don't understand Asians trolling against other Asians, you should all be happy that Asian cities are growing fast, a real multi polar world is on the way
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Agree. Inter regional rivalry is one thing, but to call Manila small, ugly, and boring smacks more of resentment towards a rival city's rise more than anything else.
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Manila, Bangkok, and Jakarta don't get the attention they deserve, but I think that will change over the next few years. All 3 are huge, but just need a few signature towers to make them stand out.
I think it's because they look similar, they need something unique, something original that stands out and is recognisable by people, so you just have to see one picture and know straight away that that's Manila, Bangkok, or Jakarta, but such structures are hard to plan and most landmarks came about not from central planing or specific intent, but as a by product of creative circumstance that catches people's attention and becomes a well known landmark, south east Asia could do with a couple
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Agree, but they'll get there eventually.
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I think it's because they look similar, they need something unique, something original that stands out and is recognisable by people, so you just have to see one picture and know straight away that that's Manila, Bangkok, or Jakarta, but such structures are hard to plan and most landmarks came about not from central planing or specific intent, but as a by product of creative circumstance that catches people's attention and becomes a well known landmark, south east Asia could do with a couple
I think the Maha Nakhon tower will make Bangkok instantaneously distinctive and recognizable from it other southeast asian counterparts
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Guess the city? Its a contender for the top 10 by 2025.

When I see shots like this it makes me think about how most people in the west and the world, haven't even heard about places like Tianjin, Shenzhen, and Guangzhou, and don't have any idea about the sheer scale and ambition of these Chinese cities, people that don't know about this website would be shocked to see what is going on in Asia in the incredible futuristic infrastructure, airports, subways, high speed rail and tallest supertalls and megatall skyscrapers. It shows how a building an impressive skyline can really change the image of a city and make it more promising and forward looking, I wish European leaders would understand this, Canada and Australia changed their presence in the world through building great skylines. London thinks its the centre of the universe and doesn't need to worry about little matters like skyscrapers for prestige, but now even London have realised the benefits a city can get by having an impressive skyline. london has cool skyline now but soon London will have bigger skyline

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North American cities have a 100 year head start over Europe in skyscraper construction, but at least the process has started. I remember when the only tower of consequence in London was Nat West. Today there are a good 40 - 50 buildings in addition to that.
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Some Bangkok pictures I found.... with the skyscrapers under construction and planned supertalls, this city is quickly moving up the ranks!

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I don't understand why this city has been underrated, while in case many Chinese and Middle East cities have been so overrated. s(・`ヘ´・;)ゞ


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