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Old January 12th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #1081
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Agree 100%. What's happening in Toronto (and to a lesser extent Miami) is very exciting. I believe Toronto has almost tripled its skyline in the last 20 years. I only wish there was more variety and creativity in what's coming out.
I'm seeing a huge bump up in interesting and creative designs coming from Toronto. It's a classic late boom pattern where your wildest and most creative concepts get proposed towards the end of the cycle. That also happened in Chicago. It took the big crash to stop those plans from reaching fruition in Chicago but assuming there's no similar problem in Toronto, most of the latest proposals should eventually be built. If the Gehry towers go forward, TO will have three big iconic additions.

As for which direction Chicago is heading, the office tower development of previous decades will slow to a trickle since there's already so much inventory and the trend is towards consolidation and shedding excess space. Boutique office, which never really existed in Chicago, can absorb the appetite by (mainly law) firms for new-build Class A space. The condo market in Chicago is still recovering and that will drive future tower development, along with the city's current apartment boomlet. Since condo towers reach higher and have far better designs, I'm hoping that recovery accelerates.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 11:31 PM   #1082
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I thought in the last decade Miami could catch Toronto, but then, Toronto exploded. So much for that! Looks like Miami could be sitting comfortably at third in the U.S. though after it's all said and done.
According to CTBUH, a skyscraper is 150m (~500ft) and the city count for 150m+ towers is:

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1. New York 227
2. Chicago 113
3. Panama City 41 (or Central America, or South America. Your pick)
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7. Los Angeles 23

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Old January 12th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #1083
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According to CTBUH, a skyscraper is 150m (~500ft) and the city count for 150m+ towers is:

North America
1. New York 227
2. Chicago 113
3. Panama City 41 (or Central America, or South America. Your pick)
4. Houston 32
5. Toronto 30
6. Miami 30
7. Los Angeles 23

Miami's much closer than you think
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Interesting that Chicago's total is almost exactly half of NY's. Very impressive considering that it's only 1/3 the size (though its metro is closer to half the size -- so I guess they are about even on a per capita basis)

Also, both Miami and Toronto have a few more if you add suburban communities.

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Old January 12th, 2014, 11:42 PM   #1084
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There is a thread in the World Development News forum titled Skyscrapers where they start at 200 meters (656 ft). I like using 150 meters and up (492 ft) because so my cities have so many buildings that are over 100 meters and above. It's a lot to count. Before computers, my reference was the World Almanac and Book of Facts. When I first started referencing that book decades ago, they started at 300 feet listing tall buildings for all North American cities. I think for Chicago though, at the time, they started at 450 feet. New York was the only city where they would list nothing below 500 feet, and for me, that became what I call the New York standard for a skyscraper, 500 feet and above. The World Almanac now only lists 500 and above for most North American cities.
Haha, me too! That's how I first learned on Sandy Springs, GA and Sunny Isles Beach.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 11:48 PM   #1085
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I know of at least 6 projects over 500 feet tall scheduled to break ground later this year. Two of those will be over 200 meters. I can't really say who else will be ready to break ground later in the year.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 11:56 PM   #1086
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Also, both Miami and Toronto have a few more if you add suburban communities.
You mean like this? That's Aventura on the right and Sunny Isles Beach on the left, second largest skyline in Florida. Farther down the coast is Miami Beach, and then there is the Miami skyline in the distance to the right of center. I took all of these January 3, 2014.





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You mean like this? That's Aventura on the right and Sunny Isles Beach on the left, second largest skyline in Florida. Farther down the coast is Miami Beach, and then there is the Miami skyline in the distance to the right of center.

Yes, I meant mainly Sunny Isles for Miami and Mississauga for Toronto.
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Yes, I meant mainly Sunny Isles for Miami and Mississauga for Toronto.
Interestingly, Mississauga only adds 2 more skyscrapers over 150m. Sunny Isles Beach adds 5 for Miami, Miami Beach adds 2 more. I'm sure there's also other 150m+ towers in the Miami metro area too. Quantum probably knows more about those.
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Interestingly, Mississauga only adds 2 more skyscrapers over 150m. Sunny Isles Beach adds 5 for Miami, Miami Beach adds 2 more. I'm sure there's also other 150m+ towers in the Miami metro area too. Quantum probably knows more about those.
There is also one in Hallandale Beach (right next to Sunny Isles). But I think that's it. I may be wrong. In any case Miami metro is, for the time being, #3 in North America for 500 footers.
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Yes, I meant mainly Sunny Isles for Miami and Mississauga for Toronto.
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Interestingly, Mississauga only adds 2 more skyscrapers over 150m. Sunny Isles Beach adds 5 for Miami, Miami Beach adds 2 more. I'm sure there's also other 150m+ towers in the Miami metro area too. Quantum probably knows more about those.
Sunny Isles Beach actually has 8. You can't find the heights for the Trump trio on the south end to the right listed anywhere. I'm not sure why except for the fact that they might not have been approved for that height. In the Diagrams section of SSP though, it shows them just above the 500 feet line. There are three over 600 feet tall currently under construction, and maybe three more over 600 feet proposed.

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There is also one in Hallandale Beach (right next to Sunny Isles). But I think that's it. I may be wrong. In any case Miami metro is, for the time being, #3 in North America for 500 footers.
Yes, you are correct! That would be the tallest building on the oceanfront in the upper right. That's Aventura in the foreground. The Miami skyline as big as it is, and will become, has to compete with all this, and we've had a number of 200+ meter buildings chopped down by the FAA. What keeps Sunny Isles Beach from looking like Australia's Gold Coast are height restrictions (649 feet) imposed by the FAA because of the proximity of Opa-Locka Airport.

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Yes, you are correct! That would be the tallest building on the oceanfront in the upper right. That's Aventura in the foreground. The Miami skyline as big as it is, and will become, has to compete with all this, and we've had a number of 200+ meter buildings chopped down by the FAA. What keeps Sunny Isles Beach from looking like Australia's Gold Coast are height restrictions (649 feet) imposed by the FAA because of the proximity of Opa-Locka Airport.

That's a very impressive shot of Aventura looking towards Hollywood.

Have you done the count for all 500 footers completed and u/c for Miami metro? I am counting 49:

35 in Miami (per SSCenter)
11 in Sunny Isles
2 in Miami Beach
1 in Hallandale Beach

Anything else?

That's only one short of Toronto metro.
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That's a very impressive shot of Aventura looking towards Hollywood.

Have you done the count for all 500 footers completed and u/c for Miami metro? I am counting 49:

35 in Miami (per SSCenter)
11 in Sunny Isles
2 in Miami Beach
1 in Hallandale Beach

Anything else?

That's only one short of Toronto metro.
Here's a listing: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...08&postcount=2
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That's a very impressive shot of Aventura looking towards Hollywood.
Thanks! All the photos were taken by me for anybody who doesn't know.

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Have you done the count for all 500 footers completed and u/c for Miami metro? I am counting 49:

35 in Miami (per SSCenter)
11 in Sunny Isles
2 in Miami Beach
1 in Hallandale Beach

Anything else?

That's only one short of Toronto metro.
That sounds right! It just gets too exhausting. I admire Isaidso for being able to take on what he does.
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That's a very impressive shot of Aventura looking towards Hollywood.

Have you done the count for all 500 footers completed and u/c for Miami metro? I am counting 49:

35 in Miami (per SSCenter)
11 in Sunny Isles
2 in Miami Beach
1 in Hallandale Beach

Anything else?

That's only one short of Toronto metro.
I get 7 for Sunny Isles. Is the Trump compex 4 towers?

Here's what I get for North American metros for Skyscrapers over 500ft Completed, T/O or U/C:
Atlanta: 18 (2 in Sandy Springs)
Boston: 17
Chicago: 109
Dallas-Fort Worth: 22 (19 in Dallas, 3 in Fort Worth)
Detroit: 7
Houston: 32
Los Angeles: 23
Mexico City: 13
Miami: 45
Minneapolis: 9
Monterrey: 5
Montreal: 6
New York: 235 (7 in Jersey City)
Panama City: 43
Philadelphia: 10
Pittsburgh: 10
San Francisco: 19
Seattle: 13
Toronto: 50
Tulsa: 4
Vancouver: 3
Washington: 0 (Tysons Corner recently cracked the 435ft barrier though)

Adding International:
Beijing: 24
Dubai: 143
Hong Kong: 267
Istanbul: 40
Jakarta: 45
London: 16
Manila: 3 (seems low)
Paris: 14 (9 in Courbevoie, 2 in Nanterre, 2 in Puteaux)
Santiago: 2
Sao Paulo: 11
Shanghai: 122
Shenzhen: 94
Singapore: 71
Tokyo: 115 (4 in Yokohama)
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OMG. 53 proposals over 500ft? When is this boom planned to start? Even Wikipedia still says Miami is at 28. Forget Toronto, if all those get built Miami could pass Chicago and become 2nd in the number of 500 footers. The problem is that most are in the 500-650ft range so just shy of 200m
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I get 7 for Sunny Isles. Is the Trump compex 4 towers?
The Trump trio is not counted correctly. All three of those towers at the south of Sunny Isles Beach are 500 feet tall. Sunny Isles Beach actually has 8 completed with 3 under construction.

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OMG. 53 proposals over 500ft? When is this boom planned to start? Even Wikipedia still says Miami is at 28. Forget Toronto, if all those get built Miami could pass Chicago and become 2nd in the number of 500 footers. The problem is that most are in the 500-650ft range so just shy of 200m
The boom started with Brickell CityCentre and Brickell House. More are scheduled to start this year. We can't really say which projects will actually make it out of the ground. I don't pay much attention to what's proposed.
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The boom started with Brickell CityCentre and Brickell House. More are scheduled to start this year. We can't really say which projects will actually make it out of the ground. I don't pay much attention to what's proposed.
Are the FAA height requirements for Miami International or Opa-Locka? I hear different things. Or is it Downtown Miami for Miami Int'l and Aventura/Sunny Isles for Opa-Locka?
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Are the FAA height requirements for Miami International or Opa-Locka? I hear different things. Or is it Downtown Miami for Miami Int'l and Aventura/Sunny Isles for Opa-Locka?
Yes, your last question is correct. Anyway, I don't pay much attention to what's proposed. Too much heart break in getting too excitied about that. In the last decade, at one point, Emporis showed Miami to have 75 buildings over 500 feet tall that were either completed, under construction, or proposed. I thought there might be enough global interest to see a large chunk of this make it out of the ground. I sadly learned how much a market can be based on speculation rather than real demand. Now, I don't count my chickens before they are hatched, but what we are seeing now is based largely on real demand. We could see a lot more of these projects top out than anyone ever imagined.
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OMG. 53 proposals over 500ft? When is this boom planned to start? Even Wikipedia still says Miami is at 28. Forget Toronto, if all those get built Miami could pass Chicago and become 2nd in the number of 500 footers. The problem is that most are in the 500-650ft range so just shy of 200m
As long as buyers keep showing up with cash, the towers will go up. Many of the towers proposed are selling out as we speak....

exMiami just posted their list so I updated mine (how could I forget about Kauderer's 70 story post-land swap Brickell Flatiron tower? And I was away when the 600 ft. La Chanson Brickell tower was announced so I'll make a thread for that one)



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