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Old January 19th, 2014, 08:04 AM   #1161
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I Like London's skyline of the mix of the old and the new. It looks like a 1980 sifi skyline
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Old January 19th, 2014, 09:21 AM   #1162
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I really hope the skyline of Mexico City to become the best in 2025.

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Old January 19th, 2014, 10:31 AM   #1163
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I Like London's skyline of the mix of the old and the new. It looks like a 1980 sifi skyline
You mean like Blade Runner?
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Old January 19th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #1164
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It's just a massing but it shows growth of Canary Wharf. This is from Heron Quays proposal for a second tower. Both will be 186m tall and start construction in Summer this year. It lacks a pinnacle but it also shows just how dense it'll be as there are now 20+ towers proposed/U/C in the district between 150-250m.

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Old January 20th, 2014, 12:42 AM   #1165
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A lot of the new stuff that's coming down the pike that you showed me I liked a lot, a lot better than what's up in London now, so let's see what the market will hold.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 10:08 PM   #1166
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Canary Wharf does look promising, but it's coming off a very small base. It's smaller than Pittsburgh currently.

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I am still puzzled what any of this has got to do with this thread or what I wrote. I was only discussing Chicago's and Toronto's respective skylines and at no point did I allude to the presence or absence of other historic architecture in Toronto
It wasn't clear that you were referring to skyscrapers only. I thought I made that point quite clear.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 10:09 AM   #1167
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Old January 21st, 2014, 11:17 AM   #1168
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Canary Wharf does look promising, but it's coming off a very small base. It's smaller than Pittsburgh currently.
That's true. But it's not that small in comparison ...

Pittsburgh has 23 towers 100m or above.
Canary Wharf has 15 towers 100m or above.

Pittsburgh has 9 towers 150m or above.
Canary Wharf has 7 towers 150m or above.

Pittsburgh has 2 towers 200m or above.
Canary Wharf has 3 towers 200m or above.


Comparison - U/C & Approved/Proposed

Pittsburgh 100m or above = 2
Canary Wharf 100m or above = 31
Pittsburgh 150m or above = 0
Canary Wharf 150m or above = 23
Pittsburgh 200m or above = 0
Canary Wharf 200m or above = 9

These towers alone triple Canary Wharfs size and blows Pittsburgh out the water.

100m+ Canary Wharf 46
100m+ Pittsburgh 25

150m+ Canary Wharf 30
150m+ Pittsburgh 9

200m+ Canary Wharf 12
200m+ Pittsburgh 2

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Worth noting that opposite Canary Wharf is Greenwich Peninsular. Lots of mid-high rises popping up there also.


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Old January 21st, 2014, 11:34 AM   #1169
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Still has a long way to go
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Old January 21st, 2014, 12:20 PM   #1170
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Still has a long way to go
Totally agree, but what Toronto more or less has now (30 150m+ towers) - Canary Wharf (just 1 district of London) will have in the near future. That is quite impressive considering it's just one area of the city.

When you take into account, Nine Elms, The City, Stratford, Greenwich Peninsular, Blackfriars, Elephant & Castle clusters the skyline will look very stretched and every tall.

To me the vision I'm seeing is really, really impressive.

It's no New York, Dubai, Shanghai or even Toronto - But it'll be in the top 25.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 06:46 PM   #1171
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Totally agree, but what Toronto more or less has now (30 150m+ towers) - Canary Wharf (just 1 district of London) will have in the near future.
The World Almanac and Book of Facts lists 46 over 150m. According to this source, Toronto has quite a few more than that, but I'll let Isaidso address it.

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Old January 22nd, 2014, 06:30 AM   #1172
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I think most recognize that Toronto is miles ahead of London on the skyscraper front. With Toronto being the faster growing city, I don't see London putting much of a dent in that gap. I'll just leave it at that.

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To me the vision I'm seeing is really, really impressive.

It's no New York, Dubai, Shanghai or even Toronto - But it'll be in the top 25.
London's skyline is blossoming and it could be in the top 25 in a decade or two, but it will need help from cities ahead of it. A lot of them will have to tread water or grow extremely slowly for London to get there. Many of them are cities like Tianjin and Melbourne however. They're growing rapidly themselves.
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Old January 22nd, 2014, 08:11 AM   #1173
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I agree with isaidso. Basically, the current top 25 would have to stop building for the next 15 years for London to catch up. I just don't see it in the top 25 at this stage.

A part of me just wishes all of London's skyscrapers/highrises were concentrated in one single cluster, as opposed to half a dozen scattered all over the city. London, for the most part, has quality, but is lacking quantity and general wow-factor you get on approaching traditional skyscraper cities like New York, Chicago, Toronto, Melbourne etc.

That said, and I've said it before, London doesn't need a great skyline to make it a great city. I'd trade all the skylines in Australia for the cultural offerings of London.
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Old January 22nd, 2014, 09:02 AM   #1174
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I get unhealthily excited thinking about what NYC's skyline will look like 10 years from now
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Old January 22nd, 2014, 01:05 PM   #1175
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I think most recognize that Toronto is miles ahead of London on the skyscraper front. With Toronto being the faster growing city, I don't see London putting much of a dent in that gap. I'll just leave it at that.
But it still remains that currently Toronto has 30 150m+ towers. So if you pick up Toronto currently, bang it on top of Canary Wharf, that is the type of density just that "ONE" part of London's skyline will have over the next few years. That's the theory. Taking what there is today. Not tomorrow or in a few years. Just today.

Also, Just a correction. Non-skyline related. Toronto is not even close to being a faster growing city than London.

Toronto city has grown by 134,000 between 2001-2011
London city has grown by 1,002,000 between 2001-2011


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London's skyline is blossoming and it could be in the top 25 in a decade or two, but it will need help from cities ahead of it. A lot of them will have to tread water or grow extremely slowly for London to get there. Many of them are cities like Tianjin and Melbourne however. They're growing rapidly themselves.
They are growing rapidly indeed. Although London currently has 56 towers over 150m U/C/Proposed/Approved compared to Melbournes 32.

Current stats.

150m+ Built

Melbourne 27
London 15

150m+ U/C, Proposed, Approved

Melbourne 32
London 56

Total 150m+

Melbourne 59
London 71

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You have to remember London's population is growing so fast and the burden of building tall has been broken. Towers are being proposed and 3 months later, are on site.

London has to go up, 49,000 homes a year and the majority will be in towers.

I'm only really trying to defend the notion that it seems London is being over looked due to it's traditional low rise stance despite, on paper it exceeding many cities being talked about on here in terms of density and height.
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But it still remains that currently Toronto has 30 150m+ towers.
I guess this is your source for that:

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Old January 22nd, 2014, 08:56 PM   #1178
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But it still remains that currently Toronto has 30 150m+ towers. So if you pick up Toronto currently, bang it on top of Canary Wharf, that is the type of density just that "ONE" part of London's skyline will have over the next few years. That's the theory. Taking what there is today. Not tomorrow or in a few years. Just today.

Also, Just a correction. Non-skyline related. Toronto is not even close to being a faster growing city than London.

Toronto city has grown by 134,000 between 2001-2011
London city has grown by 1,002,000 between 2001-2011
Sorry, but that has to be the worst case of hand picking data to skew a conclusion I've ever seen. City boundaries are largely meaningless. The City of London is actually a tiny 2.90 sq km piece of land containing 7,375 people. Does it make sense to use that? No it doesn't.

Population of Toronto over the years. Growth has averaged 86,000/year for 30 years and over 90,000/year the last 10 years. Courtesy of Statistics Canada:

1981: 2,998,947
1991: 3,893,933
2001: 4,682,897
2011: 5,583,064

Over the last decade, Toronto grew almost as much as London in absolute terms and much faster in % terms. If one covers the last 30 years, Toronto wins handily by both measures. Toronto almost doubled in size over that period. Based on how off the mark your perception of things is, it might help for me to add Toronto to your table:

100m+ Built, U/C, Proposed
London 102
Melbourne 140
Toronto 387

150m+ Built, U/C, Proposed
London 46
Melbourne 59
Toronto 107

200m+ Built, U/C, Proposed
London 15
Melbourne 19
Toronto 37

That's for all of London's mini skylines. Even if all proposals get built, Toronto's skyline would be more than double the size of London's by all of these measures. Melbourne will remain ahead of London as well.
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Old January 22nd, 2014, 09:00 PM   #1179
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Neither Toronto nor London will have a top 5 skyline by 2025. Now can you ladies stop whining like 8 year olds and get back on topic?
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Old January 22nd, 2014, 09:07 PM   #1180
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Toronto at least have a REAL shot in the top 20 at least.
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