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Old July 28th, 2014, 07:36 PM   #1901
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The cluster needs a few 160-180m buildings around it.
Сluster is not completed yet, expected another 5 towers with 250-280 m height
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Old July 28th, 2014, 07:37 PM   #1902
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Moscow's current MIBC skyline.
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15 , Prep, 283m




20, Pro, 228m




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Old July 28th, 2014, 08:38 PM   #1903
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Everyone should bookmark Hunser's page for the updated tally: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=194273

4 Supertalls Complete (Bank of America, Chrysler Building, Empire State, New York Times)
2 Supertalls Topped Out (One57, One World Trade Center)
2 Supertalls Under Construction (225 West 57th Street, 432 Park Avenue)
1 Supertall to Resume Construction in the next weeks (Three World Trade Center)
8 Supertalls in Site Prep (30 Hudson Yards, 35 Hudson Yards, 50 Hudson Yards, 111 West 57th Street, Girasole, One Manhattan West, Two World Trade Center, Verre)
5 Proposals (15 Penn Plaza, 80 South Street, 520 West 41st Street, One Vanderbilt, Sherwood)
And then 10 Likely Supertalls without released renders (22 Thames, 31 West 57th, 138 East 50th, 237 Park Avenue, 341 Madison Avenue, 386 Flatbush Avenue, Hudson Spire, Junior's Tower Brooklyn, Park Lane Tower, Upper East Side Tower)

So the number of supertalls that New York will definitely have is about 22 supertalls with 10 more further out for a potential 32 supertalls by 2025 (and that's assuming no further projects are released). Amazing times for New York! Oh, and I didn't include another 2-3 supertall proposals across the Hudson in New Jersey. So 35 by 2025 is possible.

So will Shenzhen beat New York? I don't know. But New York isn't going down without a fight
New York has decent amount of supertalls in prep and proposed. But Shenzhen has around 100 supertalls proposed, and 22 already U/C and prep. However, Shenzhen's urban area is much bigger than Manhattan, and unlike New York, Shenzhen will built it's supertalls in multiple separate districts, which are far away from each other. So New York will always have the edge in density.

Shenzhen can only beat New York if Shenwan Station and Baishizhou redevelopment projects are approved. But I don't think Shenzhen can afford to realize these projects in near future
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Old July 29th, 2014, 01:47 AM   #1904
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Yes, Shenzhen vs New York is like son vs his old man. The father still feels pretty fit and won't give up.

Shenzhen's number of projects is unbelievable, even for a developing city.
New York's number of projects is incredible for a highly developed city.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 02:10 AM   #1905
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Yes, Shenzhen vs New York is like son vs his old man. The father still feels pretty fit and won't give up.

Shenzhen's number of projects is unbelievable, even for a developing city.
New York's number of projects is incredible for a highly developed city.
So much has been written about Shanghai being the New York of China but perhaps it always was Shenzhen that was destined to take the crown from the king of all skylines,New York
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Old July 29th, 2014, 07:32 AM   #1906
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So much has been written about Shanghai being the New York of China but perhaps it always was Shenzhen that was destined to take the crown from the king of all skylines,New York
Shanghai and Shenzhen are very different, Shanghai is a historical city, China's first international business center and a national heritage. Shenzhen is a brand new city that didn't even exist 35 years ago. The Chinese government can't experiment with Shanghai, but they can with Shenzhen. That's why Shenzhen is called a Special Economic Zone in China, and it was always meant to be China's city of the future

Just search for Qianhai project on Google or Baidu, China is very enthusiastic and optimistic about it
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Old July 29th, 2014, 02:35 PM   #1907
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^ Not only that, but Shanghai has become a "mature" city. When the BIG 3 are completed you won't see any major development for a long time except maybe a supertall popping up here and there (Puxi). Shanghai is focusing more on improving transit, environmental standards, livability, housing etc, as it should. Also, skyscraper / supertall construction somehow shifted from Hong Kong to Shenzhen.

All in all, both cities - Shanghai and Hong Kong - have reached a level where massive skyscraper construction is not the priority anymore. Shenzhen on the other hand is different and therefore exciting.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 06:48 PM   #1908
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Mexico City 2020 ( only +150m Proposals and Under Construction dozen more constructions or proposals missing)

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In my Opinion Mexico City will position to the fourth best north american Skyline by 2025 after NYC, Chicago and Toronto
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Old July 29th, 2014, 07:24 PM   #1909
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All in all, both cities - Shanghai and Hong Kong - have reached a level where massive skyscraper construction is not the priority anymore.
Surely even in countries like China, skyscrapers are built to satisfy demand and are a result economic factors (land values), zoning, etc. People don't build them just to look at. There are some examples where that hasn't been the case, but that scenario only lasts so long till that 'house of cards' comes crashing down.

Skyscraper construction in Shanghai and Hong Kong is slowing down because they're mature cities where demand for new space is at a normal level. Shenzhen is building lots because it's still a rapidly developing/evolving city.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 02:54 AM   #1910
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I made this little ugly render in paint
Future central Shenzhen
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Are these all under construction now?
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Old July 30th, 2014, 03:02 AM   #1912
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Are these all under construction now?
Nah, only ping an and hon kwok is currently under construction, the Caiwuwei one will probably be built, I believe that Evergrande own the site where they are going to build their megatall but they are notoriously unreliable in terms of supertall construction,the futian one is currently very conceptual but it might move faster from the concept stage to serious proposal than we might think.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 03:04 AM   #1913
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In my Opinion Mexico City will position to the fourth best north american Skyline by 2025 after NYC, Chicago and Toronto

What about Panama City? or Miami?
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What about Panama City? or Miami?
And San Francisco , Philly or L.A. which all have a supertall u/c.
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And San Francisco , Philly or L.A. which all have a supertall u/c.
and Houston and Atlanta both of which already have supertalls completed.
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Well, a supertall on its own does not translate into the title of best skyline. I the case of San Francisco and Philadelphia I can see why they would be contenders for 4th place in North America in 2025. Both these cities have density, architectural quality, etc. Houston and Atlanta are one tier below in terms of skyline, I think.
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And San Francisco , Philly or L.A. which all have a supertall u/c.
I'm not sure Mexico City will be able to pass Miami and Panama City by 2025, but it could certainly pass the ones you've listed (Houston and Atlanta too). Mexico City is the biggest city in America in a rapidly developing country. They only started building tall recently. It's probably only a matter of time before it's top 5 in NA skyline wise. It's more a matter of 'when' than 'if'.
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Miami has a lot of momentum going for it right now.

DSC_0050 by Quantum2010, on Flickr

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What about Panama City? or Miami?
Im not sure but Mexico City is currently the 3rd city with most constructions in north america after NY and Toronto with more than a hundred of constructions/proposals and 18 over 150m under construction or in prep and 10 over 200m and the tallest in proposal status with a height of 452meters and 102 floors currently in demolition process (current buildings in its site)
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Great pictures, Quantum. Which is the tower rising due south of the Julia Tuttle Causeway?
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