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Old June 27th, 2011, 01:00 PM   #2241
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Designer Proposes London Underground Map Redesign

The London Underground map, created by Harry Beck in 1931, was an example of great information design, but is now outdated. So says a British designer who is proposing a more geographically accurate version of the iconic map.

Mark Noad explained that when Beck’s original map was in use, there were only seven lines on the Underground so “the compromises Beck made on geographical accuracy did not matter greatly”. Today, there are more than twice that number of lines in operation, exacerbating the inaccuracies.

“They form the basis for a major criticism of the diagram, that it bears little or no relation to London at street level,” Noad wrote on the project website. This distorts the actual physical locations of some stations, leading to confusion when selecting a route to take, or whether it is quicker to walk between stations.

One major change Noad attempted was to change Beck’s 45-degree angles into 30- and 60-degree ones; it “shortens the extremities of the lines to make it more compact”, Noad explained.

The designer is planning to launch a fully-functional site of the redesigned map, including “loads of info including parks and attractions”, he tweeted. An app version of the redesign is also in the works.


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Old June 27th, 2011, 01:46 PM   #2242
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Quite like that version, but I can't see TfL dumping Beck's version. It's iconic - easily the most recognised transport map in the world.
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Old June 27th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #2243
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Let's say this one is closer to reality but I find it more confusing.
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Old June 27th, 2011, 11:33 PM   #2244
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Mr. Noad has a valid point about the issue of scale and relative distances between stations, but I don't think he did anything to remedy the fact. The adjustment in scale looks pretty slight and the tangle of lines downtown means he's created a situation not unlike the readability problem encountered in the Financial District and Downtown Brooklyn in New York's subway maps, though less severe.
What's the point in greater geographical accuracy if there's nothing on the map useful for gauging one's position relative to a station, or of one station to the next?
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Old June 28th, 2011, 12:56 AM   #2245
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Agreed...

If you're going to do a geographically accurate map just do one, this hybrid is the worst of both worlds... Neither very accurate nor very clear
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Old June 28th, 2011, 01:32 AM   #2246
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There's some nice features, but it's too bendy to be of any use.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 02:58 PM   #2247
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Don't think he created it. If you look at the myriad of video's he posts it looks like he trolls Youtube and elsewhere looking for anything London related and posts. Same too with news stories.
Including copyright material posted in full, despite Jan's warning not to...
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Old June 28th, 2011, 04:21 PM   #2248
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I like Noad's map. It's inherently difficult to balance clarity with accuracy. It think Noad's map strikes a reasonable balance. I think the reason I'm not more enthusiastic is that I'm just used to the derivations of Beck's map.
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Old June 29th, 2011, 09:13 AM   #2249
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It is still totally misleading especially on the outer branches. Either do a geographically accurate map or not. This just looks like a mess that isn't accurate. The beauty of Beck is that it is simple to use and elegant. Some of the shortcomings of distance issues with Beck type maps can be overcome with some creativity.
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So why does he continue I wonder?
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Old June 29th, 2011, 05:51 PM   #2251
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Well, I'm sorry if I do but if it's a piece of news, plenty of threads in SSC would have to be cleaned, especially in economy sections, etc. I think it's only serious if you don't provide a source.
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Old June 29th, 2011, 05:52 PM   #2252
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So why does he continue I wonder?
Then go all over SSC to make that complaint because you would have thousands of threads to take care of.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 12:18 AM   #2253
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Then go all over SSC to make that complaint because you would have thousands of threads to take care of.
So what your saying is you have nothing original to add to the discussion, instead your happy to flood the thread with endless video's and news stories that many would have seen before and generally don't generate any discussion. What is needed is a PortoNuts thread where you can go and fill your boots posting other peoples video's and copyright new stories and leave the discussion threads such as this so people can discuss things.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 05:14 AM   #2254
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Oh god guys before PortoNuts posted here this place was stone cold dead.

Anyway, tomorrow is the last day of 67TS running on the Victoria line.
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Oh god guys before PortoNuts posted here this place was stone cold dead.

Anyway, tomorrow is the last day of 67TS running on the Victoria line.
It kinda still is, just with countless links to videos and news articles that are posted in several locations and generate very little discussion. Hardly a positive contribution to a discussion board, moreso if the mods have already hard a word about posting copyright material.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 04:00 PM   #2256
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Transport for London plans to cool the Tube network

With warm summer weather now hitting the Capital and millions of Tube passengers experiencing hot journeys on the Underground, Transport for London has set out the work it continues to carry out to try and cool the Tube network.

On the sub-surface lines the roll-out of new air-conditioned S-stock Tube trains continues and this summer Metropolitan line passengers are able to use them on routes into central London for the first time.

By 2016, 40% of the Tube network will use the new air-conditioned trains as, once roll out is complete on the Metropolitan line, they will be introduced on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines from 2012 and the District line from 2013. However the challenge of cooling the deep-level Tube lines is one that TfL continues to work on.

The Tube is the oldest metro system in the world and its basic tunnel infrastructure has changed little since it was constructed more than 145 years ago. On the deep-level lines, which are unique to London, the heat generated by trains has been passing into the tunnels and the clay surrounding them for many years, meaning the tunnels retain heat.

They were also built with only enough room for trains and with very little space for air-conditioning on the trains, inside or outside. TfL’s acquisition of Tube Lines has created the opportunity for a joint approach to upgrades of the Piccadilly and Bakerloo lines including a common design for trains.

London Underground, working with the train industry, is looking to develop a train that would be lighter and more energy efficient, which would mean the possibility of it being able to carry air conditioning equipment.

Using regenerative braking, which returns power back to the rails, could in turn power the air conditioning while not adding to the heat that would be generated powering it. The current plan is that a prototype will be delivered to London Underground by 2015.

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Old July 1st, 2011, 04:37 AM   #2258
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It kinda still is, just with countless links to videos and news articles that are posted in several locations and generate very little discussion. Hardly a positive contribution to a discussion board, moreso if the mods have already hard a word about posting copyright material.
Where else are the articles posted? I haven't seen them elsewhere. I always read them, too.
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Old July 1st, 2011, 02:22 PM   #2259
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Farewell 67 Stock!


Where else are the articles posted? I haven't seen them elsewhere. I always read them, too.
Many of the articles get posted to the two London threads. Oh one other thing, unlike your post of the 67 stock farewell, none of the bloody videos he posts has titles to even know what they are, again despite being asked to include a title, Just lazy posting to build post numbers up!
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Old July 1st, 2011, 03:38 PM   #2260
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Lay off Porto... I commend his enthusiasm and what he posts is entirely relevant

This thread would be languishing on the 2nd or 3rd page were it not for him
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