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Old April 11th, 2012, 02:33 PM   #2801
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If you are from North America, it isn't surprising that you would choose the car. But I bet a car is not a good option in London. I remember reading a survey that said Londoners were the biggest users of public transportation in Britain.
I think in pretty much any UK city people choose not to walk, unless they are out in the suburbs. People in the UK see to have a much higher tolerance to walking than most. In Sheffield, its normal for people to walk a mile into the city centre, then around it without even thinking about it. But in LA, even if you can walk, people don't (I have been before anyone asks)
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Old April 11th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #2802
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Naturally, London IS the biggest city.
We're talking measures of percentage of journeys.
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Is the Congestion Charge to blame for the tube's overcrowding?
Not at all - no one in their right mind would drive through that area at the peak times when the tube is overcrowded before the charge, unless they had to. It was light commercial vehicles, vans and the like, that got displaced into delivering earlier/later when the CC charge started.

The tube was overcrowded before the CC charge.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 09:12 PM   #2803
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Naturally, London IS the biggest city.
I don't think a good transportation system is necessarily exclusive of big cities.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #2804
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If you are from North America, it isn't surprising that you would choose the car. But I bet a car is not a good option in London. I remember reading a survey that said Londoners were the biggest users of public transportation in Britain.
A city like London will not be able to function without the Underground, DLR and busses. In the 1960's, the London City Government introduced a change in building regulations. Before this time, every new building required a minimum of a certain number of parking spaces per square feet and this was changed into a maximum number of parking spaces per square feet. It allowed developers to build building without any parking. This was needed to reduce the requirement to start to demolish the city to get the polluting cars into the city - a no win situation.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 09:23 PM   #2805
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i don't really like the london underground because it is way too extensive and expensive.

i think it is the oldest and second largest subway system in the world but if i had a choice i'd rather drive my own car than taking the tube.
Good luck trying to park, pay for the congestion charge and beating the time it takes on public transport.

London is one of the best cities for public transport on the planet.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 11:56 PM   #2806
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The tube was overcrowded before the CC charge.
True, but surely not to the extent that would have obliged TfL to be hiring numerous crowd-control inspectors and officers at many stations? For example (as featured in that BBC series), that whole cat-n-mouse game of manually closing a subterranean passageway gate on users inside Bank station before a bottleneck up ahead is kind of absurd.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 12:26 AM   #2807
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But it works, and having people on the ground helps.

Just spent 3 hours watching the tube episodes. Impressed.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 12:39 AM   #2808
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Works? More like hobbling. Aside from route extensions themselves, so many cities' networks desperately need expanding
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Old April 12th, 2012, 01:32 AM   #2809
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Don't get what some people don't understand about over-used, soaring numbers, continued investment and maintenance works.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #2810
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True, but surely not to the extent that would have obliged TfL to be hiring numerous crowd-control inspectors and officers at many stations? For example (as featured in that BBC series), that whole cat-n-mouse game of manually closing a subterranean passageway gate on users inside Bank station before a bottleneck up ahead is kind of absurd.
Crossrail should hopefully release some pressure from the Tube but it will need extensions or new lines nonetheless, like the Northern Line extension to Battersea. The system needs to go deeper into South London.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #2811
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Crossrail should hopefully release some pressure from the Tube but it will need extensions or new lines nonetheless, like the Northern Line extension to Battersea. The system needs to go deeper into South London.
My understanding is that the Northern Line extension to Battersea is as good as dead as the developers who said they'd fund it can't actually pay for it. In fact, have they gone bust?

I feel that a Northern Line extension would've been better going South East, maybe to Camberwell or Brixton (to alleviate the heavily used Victoria Line) or both.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 09:06 PM   #2812
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True, the sort of route extensions you're mentioning do make sense.
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My understanding is that the Northern Line extension to Battersea is as good as dead as the developers who said they'd fund it can't actually pay for it. In fact, have they gone bust?

I feel that a Northern Line extension would've been better going South East, maybe to Camberwell or Brixton (to alleviate the heavily used Victoria Line) or both.
The Northern Line extension was just an example, much more extensions would be needed.
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The Northern Line extension was just an example, much more extensions would be needed.
Agreed. Extensions to the Northern and Bakerloo would only go in part to deal with the lack of coverage and capacity issues.
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Extensions to South London are also desperately needed because it has much more potential for construction growth.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 05:53 AM   #2817
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Extensions to South London are also desperately needed because it has much more potential for construction growth.
i personally find south london is sort of being neglected by mayor boris johnson. of course there are some new towers and other regeneration projects, but it is still behind compared to many parts of london. south london definitely needs more LU stations and shopping centres as well.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #2818
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Brompton Road Tube ghost station resurrection plans announced

''When we first went in with torches, the place was crackling with atmosphere," said entrepreneur Ajit Chambers. "We are holding this feeling, bottling it and showing the world's tourists just how amazing the history of London is."

Then Prime Minister Winston Churchill watched over the Royal Artillery's anti-aircraft operations during World War II from a secret command centre at Brompton Road Underground station.

Now Mr Chambers has announced abandoned Brompton Road Tube in south-west London is the first station he plans to develop into a tourist attraction. "Proceedings began this morning to purchase our first abandoned Underground station," Mr Chambers said.

"This site is perfect for what we want to use it for," said the man who owns The Old London Underground Company.

'Ghost stations'

"We would like to have a rooftop restaurant, and use the deep drop shafts for climbing walls," he said. "The visit down to Brompton Road will be comparable to the London Eye and Madame Tussauds."

Mr Chambers is working with the Ministry of Defence (MoD), which owns many of the stations, to lease the sites, he calls "ghost stations". He has also been in talks with the Greater London Authority and Transport for London (TfL), which owns the network. They have both said they are "in principle" in favour of the proposals, provided suitably detailed and properly funded plans are put forward.

Brompton Road Tube opened in 1906 on the Piccadilly Line, positioned between Knightsbridge and South Kensington. But it was permanently closed 28 years later when nearby Knightsbridge was modernised and given a new entrance, and after diminishing footfall Brompton Road was deemed to be no longer economically viable.

The station was taken over by the MoD and became a central part of the war effort, of which some of the evidence is still in remarkable condition. Maps of London still hang from the walls of the war room where the anti-aircraft command centre used to be.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17699680
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Old April 14th, 2012, 04:44 PM   #2819
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I noticed today a London tram covered in a Magnum ice cream advertising livery. If memory serves this is the first all-over advertising livery in many years on the trams and certainly the first since TfL bought out the previous operators. Previous liveries included the Whitgift shopping centre, a golf club and Nescafé plus First Group corporate purple.
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Extensions to South London are also desperately needed because it has much more potential for construction growth.
An idea that occasionally gets kicked around is digging tunnels from outer south London to the terminals for long-distance trains and using the overground network purely for local services. I think it makes sense as it'd keep costs down since new stations (which you'd need several of if you extended any tube lines) cost a hell of a lot more than new tunnels. It'd also allow for a proper metro service in the south. The huge increase in local capacity would allow them to reopen Camberwell, which is probably the biggest transport blackhole in inner London.
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