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Old October 24th, 2013, 07:09 PM   #3341
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As long as the design is functional, I would argue that the complaints about the exterior aesthetics aren't well founded. The future is the future, and you can't have something new look like something out of the past, no matter how much nostalgia you think it would have. You can't stop progress. People just like to complain, I guess.
You clearly have not been to the UK. Certain things (like Taxis, for example) look the same since a few decades ago. It is called tradition. In fact, London recently started a program to replace modern buses (with tipicla 90's looks, even if often double-decker) with 50's-style models (of course, newly built).
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Old October 24th, 2013, 10:35 PM   #3342
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Hm.. you call it tradition... well it's maybe the same thing with the taps, cold and hot water taps some want to call it 'traditional', some other call it 'retarded'
But replacing the modern buses with the old-looking ones is just stupid.
Tradition is to keep some specific elements, not to go back. Life goes forward.
What was good in the past doesnt have to be the same now.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 10:53 PM   #3343
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Hm.. you call it tradition... well it's maybe the same thing with the taps, cold and hot water taps some want to call it 'traditional', some other call it 'retarded'
But replacing the modern buses with the old-looking ones is just stupid.
Tradition is to keep some specific elements, not to go back. Life goes forward.
What was good in the past doesnt have to be the same now.
I actually agree with you: the double taps are stupid, and the new Boris-buses with the hop-on hop-off platform are potentially dangerous, especially if used as night buses.

That being said, one should also not try to force themselves into change just for change's sake. In some cases, a changed vehicle can be ugleir or worse: look at how Flirt/Talent/Desiro trains have seating way more uncomfortable than 1970's DDR-made trains. Was that really progress?

I personally love the 2009 stock design:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...und_2009_Stock

And, even more, the S7 stock design for subsurface lines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lo...ne-Olympia.JPG
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:53 AM   #3344
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Hm.. you call it tradition... well it's maybe the same thing with the taps, cold and hot water taps some want to call it 'traditional', some other call it 'retarded'
But replacing the modern buses with the old-looking ones is just stupid.
Tradition is to keep some specific elements, not to go back. Life goes forward.
What was good in the past doesnt have to be the same now.
Hah! God knows why the UK has all their taps like this. Its ridiculous. And its impossible trying to find a real shower there too. Its always baths, with showers being an after thought, even in new buildings.

Anyway, back on subject...
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:13 AM   #3345
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Old October 25th, 2013, 02:14 PM   #3346
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LTM has access to a A60 series train. The first "heritage" service ran in May this year. It is a bit odd how a heritage train has the current livery on, complete with late Postmodern interiors (Stanley Tigerman thinks it ended in 1990 according to a V&A book).
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Old October 25th, 2013, 03:54 PM   #3348
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Hah! God knows why the UK has all their taps like this. Its ridiculous. And its impossible trying to find a real shower there too. Its always baths, with showers being an after thought, even in new buildings.

Anyway, back on subject...
I'm a Brit and I think it's stupid. The reason, though, is historic for hygiene reasons as hot water comes from a tank in the house and therefore shouldn't mix with cold water that is from city mains (and is, therefore, potable). You can buy UK regulation mixer taps, but they have to adhere to particular standards.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #3349
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Would a tipped / rounded front not help push the air more effectively.


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I don't know if it's relevant for London underground, but in Kyiv and Moscow trains also act as the main ventilation power for stations, so their ends are purposely flat.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 05:04 PM   #3350
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Hah! God knows why the UK has all their taps like this. Its ridiculous. And its impossible trying to find a real shower there too. Its always baths, with showers being an after thought, even in new buildings.

Anyway, back on subject...
You were obviously not going to the right saunas city_thing ;-)

Yes, the UK is not known for efficient plumbing, especially the upper floors of Victorian era houses.

Anyway, really back to subject...
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Old October 25th, 2013, 05:25 PM   #3351
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Its always baths, with showers being an after thought, even in new buildings.
It comes from having the lack of space for a shower separate from a bath.

If you are to have a bath in the bathroom, you need to have your shower in the bath.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #3352
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I know this isn't exactly on topic, but why on earth have they turned the heating on? It's absolutely roasting on the Tube these days!!!
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Old October 25th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #3353
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I know this isn't exactly on topic, but why on earth have they turned the heating on? It's absolutely roasting on the Tube these days!!!
Tube tunnels are only about 12 feet in diameter. How would the air escape easily like the sub-surface sections? Bear in mind that there's a limit to how many shafts we can build without disrupting life on ground.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 12:26 PM   #3354
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Hm.. you call it tradition... well it's maybe the same thing with the taps, cold and hot water taps some want to call it 'traditional', some other call it 'retarded'
But replacing the modern buses with the old-looking ones is just stupid.
Tradition is to keep some specific elements, not to go back. Life goes forward.
What was good in the past doesnt have to be the same now.
I think it is not the same as taps. I hate british taps a lot but those buses are cool and functional. Taps are pain in the ass. Bus design is not.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 03:07 PM   #3355
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Article in modern railways: TFL is preparing to spend a quarter of a billion quid on additional clone trains for the jubilee and northern. They want to bring the jubilee lines frequency up from 33tph (same as the vic). Additionally they want a few extra for the northerns extension to Battersea with the possibility for a few extra for NLU2 which would envolve splitting the line

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Old October 26th, 2013, 05:48 PM   #3356
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... (same as the vic)... for a few extra for NLU2 ...
Who is 'vic' and what the heck is NLU2?
Sounds like the R2D2 or CP3O from Star Wars to me.


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Victoria Line and Northern Line Upgrade 2
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #3358
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'Vic' stands for Victoria line.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #3359
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OMG, one has to get the bachelor degree at TFL before entering the system
And whats "Northern Line Upgrade 2 " again? One of the branches of the black line? But which one?
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The current upgrade installs a new signalling system and improves tph through Central London. NLU2 mainly involves splitting the two branches (Edgware-Battersea via Charring X and Barnet-Morden via Bank) and remodelling Camden
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