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Old August 13th, 2014, 11:42 PM   #3641
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Piccadilly line–South Ealing

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Old August 16th, 2014, 01:17 AM   #3642
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Would anyone happen to have an Underground track map?

I'm having trouble visualizing the relationship of the various tracks around Baker Street.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 01:20 AM   #3643
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Would anyone happen to have an Underground track map?

I'm having trouble visualizing the relationship of the various tracks around Baker Street.
http://carto.metro.free.fr/documents...ondon.v3.1.pdf

you'll need to zoom
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Old August 16th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #3644
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Calls to rezone Woolwich Arsenal station
16th August 2014

There are growing calls to have Woolwich Arsenal station rezoned so that it covers both zone 4 and 3.

Campaigners say the change will allow cheaper travel for commuters and help regenerate the area.

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Old August 18th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #3645
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Smart idea; keeping stations/stops in 2 different zones is confusing to travelers not familiar with their surroundings nor cost-effective to those who do.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 07:27 PM   #3646
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TfL should adopt distance-based fares instead of the zone system, at most it should kept a central area with a "core travel fare increment/surcharge"
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Old August 18th, 2014, 07:43 PM   #3647
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TfL should adopt distance-based fares instead of the zone system, at most it should kept a central area with a "core travel fare increment/surcharge"
Which means prices heightend every quarter of A year like in The Netherlands?

I like the simple zone system A lot of cities/regions still use.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 09:35 PM   #3648
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Smart idea; keeping stations/stops in 2 different zones is confusing to travelers not familiar with their surroundings nor cost-effective to those who do.
It's common in London, especially that part of London - London Borough of Greenwich's TfL services (ie the DLR) are entirely zone 2/3, save Woolwich Arsenal which is zone 4.

From what I gather, it's about allowing people of Woolwich Dockyard, etc to head to Woolwich Arsenal, change to the DLR and use that to cross the river rather than bus to North Greenwich or train to Greenwich. Keeping it in zone 4, while adding it to zone 3, allows commuting into Woolwich from the east to be cheaper.

It makes sense, though will mean that Woolwich Arsenal - Stratford International will be a one-zone journey (so there is a financial hit TfL will take) and it isn't rare - the Stratford area is going to become zone 2/3.

Far more confusing would be to implement some distance-based fare system. Currently, you can work out how much your trip ought to cost by looking at a map and a relatively short list of fares (once you know what type of fare you need) - (n+1)/2 where n is the number of zones - so if you ignore the odd zones on the DC lines, that's 25 for TfL's 9 zones.

A distance-based system would, as well as a total replacement of Oyster, require looking up the charge for the specific station-station pair - something unpredictable and makes it that there's 265*264 fares just for tube journeys alone...
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Old August 19th, 2014, 11:32 AM   #3649
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From Global Rail News:

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London Underground launches competition for new Northern line trains
18 AUG, 2014

London Underground (LU) has invited expressions of interest to supply new Tube trains for the Jubilee and Northern lines.

A formal Invitation to Tender should be issued in early 2015 for up to 18 metro trains for the Jubilee line and up to 50 trains for the Northern line – five of which will be put into service on the Northern line extension from Kennington to Battersea

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Old August 19th, 2014, 01:42 PM   #3650
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I expect that this contract may be for "clone" trains, similar to the C77 Stock order over the C69. and the two batches of 1983 stock (the latter which didn't last long).
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Old August 19th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #3651
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Is it absolutely necessary to renew the Northern Line? Don't other lines need new trains more urgently?
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Old August 19th, 2014, 10:02 PM   #3652
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Is it absolutely necessary to renew the Northern Line? Don't other lines need new trains more urgently?
They're not renewing the northern line, nor the jubilee, TfL are procuring additional trains to cater for frequency enhancements and extensions.
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Old August 20th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #3653
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They're not renewing the northern line, nor the jubilee, TfL are procuring additional trains to cater for frequency enhancements and extensions.
Oh! Thanks for the reply, that makes much, much more sense.
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Oh! Thanks for the reply, that makes much, much more sense.
Glad I could help.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 04:06 PM   #3655
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Northern Line extension contractor selected
21 Aug 2014



UK: London Underground announced on August 21 that it had selected Ferrovial Agroman Laing O’Rourke to design and build the 3·3 km extension of the Northern Line from Kennington to Nine Elms and Battersea. The six-year contract covers the main construction works and is worth Ł500m.

The Ł1bn project is being funded entirely through developer contributions and an enterprise zone from 2016

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Old August 26th, 2014, 08:46 PM   #3656
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Circle line/District line – Embankment (Eastbound)













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Old August 27th, 2014, 05:38 PM   #3657
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Hi!
May be someone know what happend in cases of vandalism in undergraund, I mean, is there some stickers, which using after act of vandalism, but before problem is fixed? (for example "sorry, we know about the problem and working")

PS sorry if my english is bad)
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Old August 27th, 2014, 06:26 PM   #3658
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Why they make another line crossing no transfer?
The new part of the black line should interchange with the blue line.
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Depending on where that station is located, it might be more deceptive than the map looks.

This is the region:

https://www.google.se/maps/@51.48094...0808,15z?hl=en

Unless the new line routes via Vauxhall, which might be improbable due to grades required to dip under the line and the curves involved from Kennington, or problems with constructing a station so close to the river or some other engineering reason, the gap between Vauxhall station and Stockwell is too close to consider inserting another station on the Victoria line. Perhaps the Nine Elms station will be within walking distance of another Victoria line station, but I doubt it based on the naming.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 06:57 PM   #3660
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Circle line/District line – Embankment (Eastbound)

All photos by none other than myself.
Love these old maps! Absolutely fantastic. I wonder how many of those British rail lines have been culled or mothballed since then...
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