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Old May 14th, 2015, 06:21 AM   #3881
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Each city has its own set of problem and solutions , trying to copy one city's transit system would not work well ,or worse, be an white elephant.

For example, London they had been developing the systems years before any country really thought of a city Metro as an idea.

Another good example is the Tokyo metro, that system is kind of evolved from commuter rail to the busy multi-lines metro. However the way they had developed the system means they can hardly do any extension for any lines.

Even the island-state of Singapore have to have their own solution for the transit system. So "Dude" (Skyshakernowlive) don't impose a system onto any cities or country, it would not work. And also you are bloody everywhere...
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Old May 14th, 2015, 01:39 PM   #3882
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Each city has its own set of problem and solutions , trying to copy one city's transit system would not work well ,or worse, be an white elephant.

For example, London they had been developing the systems years before any country really thought of a city Metro as an idea.

Another good example is the Tokyo metro, that system is kind of evolved from commuter rail to the busy multi-lines metro. However the way they had developed the system means they can hardly do any extension for any lines.

Even the island-state of Singapore have to have their own solution for the transit system. So "Dude" (Skyshakernowlive) don't impose a system onto any cities or country, it would not work. And also you are bloody everywhere...
That's not true. The Tokyo metro was completely segregated from its inception and the two oldest lines (Ginza and Marunouchi) are still segregated as they are third rail powered and standard gauge unlike the rest of the network which is adapted for through running of commuter lines (hence the Tokyu Toyoko line through the Fukutoshin line to the Seibu Ikebukuro and Tobu Tojo line and all the other interlining lines). As for the rest of it, the JR lines and private lines in Tokyo just defy all classification as they are simply not like lines around the world as they could fall into every category and none simultaneously.

Also, it is very easy to expand the metro network - there is plenty of scope, but not much political will given the coverage of the city is so extensive already.

But the rest of your post I agree with 100%. Each city has its positives and negatives and has tailored a solution to suit its unique case. Even between Osaka and Tokyo in the same country there are different solutions (Tokyo's spaghetti metro compared to Osaka's grid network).

Also, this guy is everywhere offering opinions on every transit system under the sun. Odd behaviour for a new user definitely!
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Old May 14th, 2015, 02:39 PM   #3883
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Old May 14th, 2015, 04:40 PM   #3884
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Also, this guy is everywhere offering opinions on every transit system under the sun. Odd behaviour for a new user definitely!
If I may be so bold, I'd say he's enthusiastic, but not quite used to forum etiquette.
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Old May 14th, 2015, 09:10 PM   #3885
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That's not true. The Tokyo metro was completely segregated from its inception and the two oldest lines (Ginza and Marunouchi) are still segregated as they are third rail powered and standard gauge unlike the rest of the network which is adapted for through running of commuter lines (hence the Tokyu Toyoko line through the Fukutoshin line to the Seibu Ikebukuro and Tobu Tojo line and all the other interlining lines). As for the rest of it, the JR lines and private lines in Tokyo just defy all classification as they are simply not like lines around the world as they could fall into every category and none simultaneously.

Also, it is very easy to expand the metro network - there is plenty of scope, but not much political will given the coverage of the city is so extensive already.

But the rest of your post I agree with 100%. Each city has its positives and negatives and has tailored a solution to suit its unique case. Even between Osaka and Tokyo in the same country there are different solutions (Tokyo's spaghetti metro compared to Osaka's grid network).

Also, this guy is everywhere offering opinions on every transit system under the sun. Odd behaviour for a new user definitely!
If by JR and Private Lines, you mean the Commuter and JR lines, I think they are best classed a sbahn. They remind me of Thameslink, and increase the commuter zone of cities greatly.

The main difference between other systems and Tokyo is how ubahn trains merge into the sbahn network, and run services similar to RER trains.

Something I want to understand is how much influence privatization has. For example, how did the integration between sbahn and ubahn services happen? And why are Toei and Metro not merged?
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Old May 14th, 2015, 10:29 PM   #3886
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Tramlink is 15!
Here's a look at what the system might look like in 15 years

And here's a map I've drawn, with that on, save the Western turnback, as I couldn't work out where it would go or what trams (based on the frequencies they state) would supply it. Each line is 7-8tph and actual service pattern is unknown, as are a few other small details.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 05:17 PM   #3887
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Wimbledon station, taken by stevekeiretsu. Blue hoarding is for new second Tramlink platform:


Wimbledon station by stevekeiretsu, on Flickr
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 07:09 PM   #3888
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Why isn't Tramlink included in the standard Tube map.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 07:31 PM   #3889
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Why isn't Tramlink included in the standard Tube map.
You mean the TfL map? Not sure. Probably because it is treated as buses for fares, etc.

I would have argued about it only having one anchor point, but that hasn't been true since the Overground reached West Croydon.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 07:05 PM   #3890
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Croxley Rail Link 'worth £8bn and will create 9,000 jobs'
Friday 15 May 2015



The Croxely Rail Link will create more than 9,000 jobs and be worth more than £8 billion to the economy, council chiefs estimate.

Hertfordshire County and Watford Borough council bosses have vowed to reap the full benefits of the £280m+ project.

The Croxley Rail Link is expected to be completed by 2018, linking Watford Junction and Watford High Street with London

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Old May 26th, 2015, 03:03 PM   #3891
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The new Tube Map has contracted a severe case of Orange Overground.

I'm not even sure it should be called a Tube Map anymore...
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Old May 26th, 2015, 07:10 PM   #3892
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Well, in fact it's not a Tube map, it's a map of all urban rail transit lines.

The real problem is that DLR and Overground lines are not getting proper colors and identification.
As a user I look at that map and I can't understand what they mean. I find it a complete mess.

The best example remains this:



Here the style used for DLR and Overground is used for Regional trains, which are much less schematized than the urban lines (and much less important for the city).
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Old May 26th, 2015, 07:35 PM   #3893
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Well, in fact it's not a Tube map, it's a map of all urban rail transit lines.
It's not that either - it's all TfL-operated/franchised rail services (and no, Tramlink doesn't count in that) and the Cable Car, but not anything else.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 05:21 AM   #3894
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The "new rail service will create [insert number here] more jobs" claim feels terribly old and hypocritical. As a Hongkonger I know that the new railway only boosts prices of the surrounding properties considerably to the point that no first-time buyers (without backing of their parents) and decent tenants are able to afford them, which completely defeats the purpose of a commuter railway (helps commuters get to their working place efficiently.)
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Old May 27th, 2015, 10:01 AM   #3895
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It's not that either - it's all TfL-operated/franchised rail services (and no, Tramlink doesn't count in that) and the Cable Car, but not anything else.
Yeah, it's annoying that Thameslink isn't on it.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 10:26 AM   #3896
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The new Tube Map has contracted a severe case of Orange Overground.

I'm not even sure it should be called a Tube Map anymore...
And the gap between quantity of TfL services North of the Thames and South just became a canyon.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 02:52 PM   #3897
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I can understand Kent CC's worries about loss of semi-fast services, etc for why the SE Overground extensions didn't happen.

However, you would have thought that the TSGN combined franchise would have allowed a web of Orange lines South of the river (as well as a couple more tentacles north of the river thanks to the GN&C)...
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Old May 27th, 2015, 05:36 PM   #3898
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I can understand Kent CC's worries about loss of semi-fast services, etc for why the SE Overground extensions didn't happen.

However, you would have thought that the TSGN combined franchise would have allowed a web of Orange lines South of the river (as well as a couple more tentacles north of the river thanks to the GN&C)...
I was had a look at the London Connections map (now officially "London's Rail and Tube services") to see what terminates inside zone 6, and, south of the river, there's this:

SWT to Chessington South and Hampton Court

Southern to Epsom Downs, Tattenham Corner, Caterham, Beckenham Junction
Thameslink Wimbledon Loop (well it doesn't terminate but you know what I mean)

Southeastern to Hayes

Everything else runs off the map

(North of the river, there's just the two Heathrow services, FGW to Greenford and Anglia to Enfield Town and Chingford)
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Old May 27th, 2015, 08:47 PM   #3899
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Stuff doesn't need to reach the end of the tracks to terminate. Nor do they have to remain within the zones - Kent don't want Orange rondels, but Herts do, Essex probably does, and Surrey might. Also you missed the SWT loops, and the ones on the Dartford lines, Orpington (where also tracks end) and the Bromley and Greenford shuttles.

However, I was simply thinking of the recent TSGN franchise award, and how there seems to be no trace in even bothering to remove the South Central Metro routes from the DfT franchise.

I was thinking along the limited lines of the following routes that were recently refranchised as part of the TSGN franchise:
  • London Bridge via Sydenham (stoppers only)
  • London Bridge via Peckham
  • Victoria via Gipsy Hill
  • Victoria via Norwood
  • WLL to Croydon (8-car, terminating at Shepherd's Bush (?) and supplemented by MK-Clapham Junction services operated by London Midland)
  • GN&C services (subject to Herts CC co-operation)
This would add Orange Rondels to the following stations: Victoria, Battersea Park, Wandsworth Common, Balham, Streatham Hill, Streatham, Streatham Common, London Bridge, South Bermondsey, East Dulwich, North Dulwich, Tulse Hill, West Norwood, Gipsy Hill, Birkbeck, Beckenham Junction, Norbury, Thornton Heath, Selhurst, Waddon, Wallington, Carshalton Beeches, Sutton, Belmont, Banstead, Epsom Downs, East Croydon, and South Croydon.
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A Wikipedia user has drawn a map that was featured on several media sites and even couple newspaper as being "much better to read". Nothing revolutionary, but interesting nonetheless.

If you click the original link, you can go to the bottom right where the key is and click specific lines to highlight them. I didn't know SVG files had that functionality

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