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Old November 17th, 2015, 12:24 PM   #4041
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But StationMaster claims that Bromley-by-Bow, Pudding Mill Lane and East India will retain in zone 2/3...
That was the original idea, but, as London Reconnections says that politicians changed it.
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Old November 20th, 2015, 04:34 PM   #4042
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From Londonist, video about Croxley Rail Branch, that will soon become part of Metropolitan Line:

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Old November 20th, 2015, 10:24 PM   #4043
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Prepatory works on Arthur Street, which will be worksite for Bank station upgrade:
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http://content.tfl.gov.uk/bcsu-facts...t-worksite.pdf







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Old November 21st, 2015, 03:12 AM   #4044
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When London first introduced the zonal fare system?
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Old November 21st, 2015, 03:19 AM   #4045
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When London first introduced the zonal fare system?
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 01:35 AM   #4046
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A funny idea by an architectural firm: replacing the Underground with continuous moving walkways, even with several lanes with different speed







Proposed advantages:
- no waiting time
- full use of the tunnels lenght (today mostly used as headway between trains)
- great reduction of crowding

I won't list the practical cons because I have a life to be lived but the concept is less dumb than it appears.


http://www.wired.com/2015/09/real-pl...ving-walkways/
http://weburbanist.com/2015/09/08/tu...ving-walkways/
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 11:11 AM   #4047
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How is it less dumb? I'd say it is probably more dumb.
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 12:52 PM   #4048
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Great idea! Those moving walkways would have a marginal time/speed incentive over the District Line.

Epping, Uxbridge and Hornchurch will look like olympic bodybuilders' towns.
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Ridiculous. How would such a treadmill go round a bend?
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 12:59 PM   #4050
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Video from TfL on Victoria tube station upgrade:

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Old November 23rd, 2015, 05:47 PM   #4051
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A funny idea by an architectural firm: replacing the Underground with continuous moving walkways, even with several lanes with different speed
Hm I remembered reading about this before and then I realised that this is copied from Isaac Asimov's book "caves of steel", where he devises those travelators that move at different speeds to move inside the huge remaining cities on earth. I even remember a scene where a policeman is chased and has to jump from one speed to the other avoiding bumping into other people and describing how good he was at that "sport" when he was a kid. Sorry for the off-topic
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 07:42 PM   #4052
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Metropolitan Line Extension funding agreed
23 Nov 2015



UK: The funding package for the Metropolitan Line Extension project has been finalised, London Underground announced on November 23. Construction is now expected to start next year, with completion due in 2020.

Previously known as the Croxley Rail Link, the project has until now been managed by Hertfordshire County Council. On March 27 LU announced that it was to take over responsibility once a funding package was agreed. The 2844m cost includes a local contribution of 1254m, 1098m from the Department for Transport and 492m from Transport for London. The local funding includes 879m from the Hertfordshire Local Enterprise Partnership, which represents 40% of its total Growth Deal funding from the government

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Hm I remembered reading about this before and then I realised that this is copied from Isaac Asimov's book "caves of steel", where he devises those travelators that move at different speeds to move inside the huge remaining cities on earth. I even remember a scene where a policeman is chased and has to jump from one speed to the other avoiding bumping into other people and describing how good he was at that "sport" when he was a kid. Sorry for the off-topic
Indeed interesting!
If Asimov envisioned it, then in a far future it will be reality. With Asimov it's a matter of "when", not "if"

When I evaluate means of transport I always calculate the actual travel time, something that is often forgotten, and this usually gives some surprises.
In terms of actual travel time and capacity these travelators are an interesting idea.
Of course, with today's technology, putting them in practice would be an awful nightmare...
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Old November 24th, 2015, 02:22 AM   #4054
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Indeed interesting!
If Asimov envisioned it, then in a far future it will be reality. With Asimov it's a matter of "when", not "if"
Aside from the fact that every computer used to read this thread is absurdly more powerful and cheaper than the computers he envisioned. That combined with the internet that this site is on renders many of his plots null and void.

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When I evaluate means of transport I always calculate the actual travel time, something that is often forgotten, and this usually gives some surprises.
In terms of actual travel time and capacity these travelators are an interesting idea.
Of course, with today's technology, putting them in practice would be an awful nightmare...
There's also the matter of transfers.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 03:33 PM   #4055
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Are you ready for this? It's coming soon! Another nice video from Londonist:

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Another good news, from Railway Gazette:

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Northern Line extension breaks ground
25 Nov 2015



UK: Mayor of London Boris Johnson officially launched construction of an extension of London Underground’s Northern Line on November 23. The 33 km extension from Kennington to Nine Elms and Battersea is due to be completed in 2020.

Boring of twin tunnels is due to begin in early 2017 and is expected to take six months to complete. An expected 680 000 tonnes of material would be excavated. A 300 m long conveyor belt will carry 92% of this to the River Thames, from where barges will carry it to Goshems Farm in East Tilbury to the east of London

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Part-time Night Tube drivers proposed for service
25th November 2015



Part-time staff and a salary increase have been offered by London Underground (LU) as a solution to running the new Night Tube service

A 24-hour operation on five lines had been due to start at weekends on 12 September but it was delayed in a row over staff pay and conditions.

LU has now said a previous three-year pay offer will be extended to a fourth year and it would hire part-time staff

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Waterloo Tube Station’s York Road entrance to shut for 3 years
Friday 30 October 2015



The York Road entrance to Waterloo Underground Station will next month close for nearly three years as part of the Shell Centre redevelopment

The ticket hall on the ground floor of the Shell Centre will be closed from Sunday 15 November.

A new entrance to the tube station is due to open in summer 2018 as part of the new Southbank Place development on the Shell Centre site

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Old November 26th, 2015, 03:27 PM   #4059
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A funny idea by an architectural firm: replacing the Underground with continuous moving walkways, even with several lanes with different speed







Proposed advantages:
- no waiting time
- full use of the tunnels lenght (today mostly used as headway between trains)
- great reduction of crowding

I won't list the practical cons because I have a life to be lived but the concept is less dumb than it appears.


http://www.wired.com/2015/09/real-pl...ving-walkways/
http://weburbanist.com/2015/09/08/tu...ving-walkways/
I think in reality the biggest issue is safety, how would you make stepping between these travelators safe?
I also think it doesn't really have a higher capacity than a standard tube train. Take the Central line (the Victoria and Metropolitan lines actually have a higher capacity), the trains can carry 892 people according to the specifications and there are 34tph at peak. Assume the average train carries 795 people, this works out to be 450 per minute or 7,5 per second! As the average speed at stations is 6mph for three travelators (since the stations are the restricting factor), or 2.7m/s, this means that every travelator should at least carry one person every 1.07m to meet the capacity of the tube. Also, the tunnels for these need to be bigger than the current tube tunnels, since they need to be high enough for people to stand on all lanes. I don't think the capacity would be necessarily bigger.
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This is just fantasy.

In real world automated walkways can't be several kilometers long, with curves and different slopes.
Then the maintenance should be very expensive, more than metro maintenance, as escalators and automated pathways are expensive to maintain in relation at their lenght.
And this is a dozen kms system...

Maintenance itself could be impossible too without stopping all the 'line', exactly as maintainers stop a whole escalator to work on it

Last, but not least, the maximum speed would be very slow as the fastest pathways in the world got a 15 km/h speed.
Tube trains reach a top speed of 80 km/h and got a commercial speed of about 35 km/h
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