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Old September 7th, 2016, 04:28 PM   #4241
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I don't know whether you just don't know what Christmas is or you are simply too anti-social to have a family. Whatever it is, you are wrong in either case.
I am part of the 25 million Brits who are not Christian, therefore whilst I enjoy the holiday season and see my family there is no religious requirement for me to refuse to travel or do work. I've got a large family, and my parents live in a council house. Even with their taxed "spare" bedroom there isn't room for 6 kids plus partners, along with grandkids. My family get together on Christmas - as Fatty pointed out many will drive to see family - but as there is public transport provision in the city I live in (where 40% of families do not have access to a car, most of my family included) I usually just get a bus. I'm not sure that this is a difficult concept - either we exclude some family, or we travel to see everyone. Maybe you're an only child with no partner or kids?

I'm not sure what this obsession is that you either travel on Christmas eve, or you are antisocial, as nice as it would be for my parents to live in a 10 bedroom mansion they don't. Furthermore it isn't unusual for some members of the family to be working / on call on Christmas eve / day, even if I were religious I wouldn't expect hospitals to close down, patients to just be abandoned or kicked out. Staying with the family on Christmas eve or boxing day would make it difficult to get into work at the A&E if the worst does happen. "Sorry, the on-call surgeon won't be here for an hour because it is Christmas"

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There where Christmas Day is the pinnacle of the festive season, and that includes England and London, people don't travel, not on that day.
A vast generalization, more apt for a Dickensian novel. Do people who celebrate Christmas in the UK not go to church on Christmas Day? How would you get to church if you're part of the 40% who do not own a car? "Sorry Christ, no bus so no church, I'll say 3 Hail Marys next time I'm in"

40% of the UK aren't Christian who are still likely to attend Christmas Day Mass, but as pointed out before there are loads of work places that are open - hotels, b&bs, bars, restaurants, the zoo, police, fire, hospitals, airports, vehicle recovery, power stations, railway maintenance..

IF NOBODY TRAVELS THEN ALL THESE PLACES ARE CLOSED? DO THE POLICE NOT ANSWER THE PHONE ON CHRISTMAS DAY? Of course not.

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We travel the days right before Christmas and we travel again on Boxing Day. But on Christmas Day we are at home and we stay home. We wake up in the midst of our family and spend the whole day with them. This is the quietest day of the year.
It certainly is the quietest, but people still work, people still travel. You make it sound as if all the motorways and roads are empty. They aren't.

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And this also means that there is simply no sufficient demand for PT services on that one day of the year.
In that case you should write to Lothian buses and tell them to withdraw their Christmas day bus services, as apparently you know their demand better than the operator. This Christmas I'll give the other passengers on the buses your details so that you can tell them individually that they should be at home not going to work at hospitals and power stations or seeing their family.

To say that nobody travels is a lie, just to say that nobody works, or that everyone spends 3 days living with their family. It is a broad generalization. Many may do that, which is why it is the quietest time of year, but there is obviously enough demand for Edinburgh buses to run their reduced timetable.. Coming from a friend who worked at the Zoo, they usually had a bunch of families and tourists go in on Christmas Day - it is quiet, but they still get enough visitors. If it makes economic sense for the zoo to be open, and Edinburgh buses to run, then obviously people are using these services.


EDIT: TUC estimates nearly 1m workers on Christmas Day, almost 1 in 30 workers. Those figures will be significantly higher for Christmas Eve and Boxing Day. So to say that nobody travels is BS. Obviously those 1m do. Obviously people travel to see their family.

In your world does nobody work on a Sunday too?
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Old September 7th, 2016, 08:26 PM   #4242
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There is a huge difference between England and Scotland over Christmas. In Scotland, it's not that different from a regular Bank Holiday (and, of course, Boxing Day isn't a bank holiday at all); in England it's far quieter than any other day of the year. Huge numbers of non-Christians, myself included, spend the day with close family after travelling on the 23 or 24, and don't regard it as a religious event, but a chance to celebrate family.

IME, it's mostly emergency, caring and medical services that stay open on Christmas Day, plus some hotels and a few businesses that are mostly staffed by people who follow another faith than Christianity (businesses staffed by and catering to the Asian community, in particular).

As for public transport, buses only need a driver, and the timetable can be noticeably faster on near-empty roads; trains need signallers and control staff and platform staff and ticket offices and so on. TfL can move the relatively few people who want/need to travel with a limited bus service, and don't have to drag anything like as many staff in to deliver that than they would to run the tube.
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Old September 8th, 2016, 12:48 AM   #4243
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There is a huge difference between England and Scotland over Christmas. In Scotland, it's not that different from a regular Bank Holiday (and, of course, Boxing Day isn't a bank holiday at all); in England it's far quieter than any other day of the year. Huge numbers of non-Christians, myself included, spend the day with close family after travelling on the 23 or 24, and don't regard it as a religious event, but a chance to celebrate family.
That's because Scotland is a Reformed Presbyterian country whereas England is an Anglican country. Many Reformed Christians do not celebrate Christmas and in fact Christmas was not a public holiday in Scotland until 1958.

And the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971 made Boxing Day a bank holiday in Scotland.
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Old September 8th, 2016, 04:28 PM   #4244
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I live in Gosport, and I can confirm there is absolutely no public transport operating on Christmas day in the Solent Area be that Bus Train, local Ferry or Cross Channel ferry both buses ferry and trains wind down from 6 pm and endI by 8 pm on Christmas Eve Even boxing day there used to be no service although now Firstbus run a skeleton service on three routes Stagecoach don't run. and the cross harbour ferry runs 10 am til 6 pm I
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Old September 10th, 2016, 12:24 PM   #4245
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This is clearly one of the Bakerloo line trains still to be refurbished. Wasn't really sure whether to sit or stand!

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Old September 10th, 2016, 09:08 PM   #4246
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This is clearly one of the Bakerloo line trains still to be refurbished. Wasn't really sure whether to sit or stand!

The Bakerloo line, or the rolling stock on that line, is a line a fear deeply. Why? Because when you go on it, you don't know whether the train will break down or the doors will fail to open at your stop due to a sudden fault. It reminds me of the old stock trains for the Hammersmith & City. They need major refurbishment works or new trains. Stuck time they are.
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Old September 11th, 2016, 01:12 AM   #4247
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This is clearly one of the Bakerloo line trains still to be refurbished. Wasn't really sure whether to sit or stand!
The correct way is obviously to stand on the seats. Like everyone else.
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Old September 11th, 2016, 05:31 AM   #4248
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You can also sit on the floor: it looks cleaner
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Old September 11th, 2016, 10:29 AM   #4250
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You can also sit on the floor: it looks cleaner
It also scores you political points until CCTV is released...
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Old September 14th, 2016, 07:10 PM   #4251
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This is clearly one of the Bakerloo line trains still to be refurbished. Wasn't really sure whether to sit or stand!

It needs a spray


or you could just beat the dirt out of the seats



why use fabric seats? when you can just have plastic/steel ones that can be wiped down
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I prefer padded fabric seats, but TfL need more of those cleaning machines!
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Old September 16th, 2016, 09:04 PM   #4253
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About Tube fares... The "capping" fare (for example: Zone 1 - £6,50) is good for one trip or it is valid for one day with unlimited trips in the Tube?
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Old September 16th, 2016, 09:36 PM   #4254
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About Tube fares... The "capping" fare (for example: Zone 1 - £6,50) is good for one trip
It's terrible for one trip - costing way more. However you can't get it with just one trip, as your Oyster will simply charge you the cheaper single fare.
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or it is valid for one day with unlimited trips in the Tube?
After you have racked up enough in single fares to reach the daily cap for the zones you have travelled, you will be charged no more, no matter how many journeys within those zones you have travelled.

Basically Oyster capping works like this (based on a hypothetical day in London):
Off-peak Zone 1-2 journey (Stratford to St Pauls) - £2.40
Off-peak Zone 1 journey (St Pauls to Baker Street) - £2.40
Off-peak Zone 1 journey (Baker Street to Piccadilly Circus) - £1.70 (as cap reached)
Off-peak Zone 1-2 journey (Covent Garden to Stratford) - £0.00 (as cap reached)

Total paid: £6.50 rather than £9.60 (4 times the £2.40 single fare).
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Hum, I understood! £ 6,50 are as a daily credit for use the Tube, no? It is very interesting.
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HITACHI Rail Europe confirmed on September 28 that it has submitted a joint bid with Bombardier for the contract to supply up to 3300 metro cars in London Undergroundís New Tube for London Programme

Both suppliers prequalified separately alongside Alstom, CAF, and Siemens to bid for the contract to build trains for Piccadilly, Waterloo & City, Bakerloo and Central lines

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Do all Underground lines have these patterns?

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Old September 30th, 2016, 03:33 PM   #4258
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£ 6,50 are as a daily credit for use the Tube, no?
No. London has zones. The fare you pay is capped per zones, sometimes there is a difference if you only travel off-peak.

Essentially if you travel 1 zone, it will be £x, if you travel 2 zones it will be £y, up to a max of £28.10.

It doesn't matter if you take bus, rail, tube, tram etc, as long as it accepts Oyster.

Most visitors are likely to only travel in zones 1-2, in which case it is £6.50 per day.
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Do all Underground lines have these patterns?
Just that one. Cost-cutting led to big cost cutting on fitting out stations, so the Victoria line is very basic. They went with the tiled motifs to give some character and to make it that there was more than just signs that were different.

This isn't to say that other stations don't have character, or unique motifs. Eg


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Transport for London has named the new line-up of subcontractors it will use to deliver building work during the London Underground station modernisation programme.

Tube bosses decided to cut-out main contractors altogether to work directly with specialist subcontractors on the £430m stations upgrade last year.

London Undergroundís in-house Station Works and Improvement Programme team now acts as an internal principal contractor in the hope that working directly with the trade contractors using three consultants to oversee work on the 70-station improvement programme will cut costs by 25%.

Large building project work worth over £2m will be subcontracted out to just seven firms, with 46 other tier 2 and tier 3 contractors prequalified for smaller packages on the SWIP building framework.

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