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Old June 12th, 2007, 02:36 PM   #521
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The 144-year old London underground handles about 3 million passengers daily, who often suffer delays and overcrowding despite paying some of the highest fares in the world.
Overcrowding? If they think the tube is "overcrowded" then they mays well call every other system around the world "overcrowded" too.
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Old June 12th, 2007, 02:55 PM   #522
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I dare you to find a gap bigger than the one at Bank, Central line.

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Old June 12th, 2007, 05:45 PM   #523
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The 144-year old London underground handles about 3 million passengers daily, who often suffer delays and overcrowding despite paying some of the highest fares in the world.
And in fact London underground carrying 4 million people.
Yes, I agree that 3 million is by average day but it is 4 million on workday
And workday stat are more accurate for said that a subway is overcrowed.

And I really doesn't like the last part of this sentence, it is like say that the best solution is increase the price for a tube less crowed.
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Old June 13th, 2007, 02:38 PM   #524
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And in fact London underground carrying 4 million people.
Yes, I agree that 3 million is by average day but it is 4 million on workday
And workday stat are more accurate for said that a subway is overcrowed.

And I really doesn't like the last part of this sentence, it is like say that the best solution is increase the price for a tube less crowed.
Sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying...
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Old June 14th, 2007, 01:18 AM   #525
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Great site for the history of the Tube map if anyone is interested.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clivebi...tube/tube.html

The best one is the 2001 IMO, with the exception of Green Park. The one around now has too much blue, awful wheelchair symbols and too many curves on the DLR (cough, Paris, cough.)
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Old June 14th, 2007, 01:34 AM   #526
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^ Good find! very interesting to see how the map has slowly evolved.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 05:46 AM   #527
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Oh!! the gap between train and platform is wide.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 06:08 AM   #528
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I dare you to find a gap bigger than the one at Bank, Central line.
Agree! I alway try to avoid getting on and off tube at Bank, huge gaps also in Earl's Court
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Old June 14th, 2007, 03:54 PM   #529
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Agree! I alway try to avoid getting on and off tube at Bank, huge gaps also in Earl's Court
Why, it's not dangerous! The drivers can see the platforms you know, and it's always busy so if you were to fall someone would see it and alert a member of staff.

Also, if you think that's dangerous you won't like Clapham North or Clapham Common, which both still retain there island platforms... This is how many original City & South London stations were (now the Northern line) there used to be platforms like it at Euston and Angel but they were renovated.

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And the reason there are curved platforms is because the tunnels were made under roads originally, this was to avoid having to pay compensation for making someones house subside or vibrate (the tube was private then) so on corners this is what happenned. Only the newer lines (Jubilee, Victoria) were straight because they no longer had to do this, though the Central is very straight between St Paul's and Shepherd's Bush, due to the fact it was built under a straight Roman road. but there are spine-tingling turns around the Bank area, one of the turns is to avoid the Bank of England itself!

UPDATE: just watch the ITV news and it says there was a near miss at Camden Town, that'll further add to your impression of a safe tube!
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Old June 15th, 2007, 01:19 AM   #530
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London Underground trains avoid tunnel accident

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6751809.stm

Tube trains avoid tunnel accident
An investigation is under way after a Tube train entered a tunnel the wrong way, into the path of another train.

Hundreds of passengers were on each of the two Northern Line trains when the incident happened on Sunday.

The driver is believed to have slammed on the brakes when he saw the other train, which had stopped at a signal at Camden Town station.

He has been stood down during the probe into the incident, a Transport for London (TfL) spokesman said.

"A formal investigation into the incident involving a Northern line train is now well under way," the spokesman said.

"Incidents of this nature, whilst disturbing to the public, are incredibly rare."
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Old June 15th, 2007, 04:47 AM   #531
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More info on the above :

Tube train set off the wrong way down tunnel

LONDON, June 14 (Reuters) - A London tube driver took a train in the wrong direction through a tunnel and nearly ran head-on into another one on the same line, it was revealed on Thursday.

An investigation has been launched into the incident on Sunday afternoon, London Underground said in a statement.

It happened late on Sunday afternoon at Camden Town station in north London. A northbound Northern Line train was incorrectly signalled into the High Barnet platform at Camden Town when it was scheduled to go to Edgware, the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) said.

The following High Barnet train was signalled into the Edgware platform, and passengers and crews swapped trains.

"When the train in the High Barnet platform was ready to depart, it set off in a southerly direction for a short distance; the driver saw the lights of the next northbound train, which was standing at a signal, and stopped the train," RAIB added.

London Underground insisted that such incidents, while worrying to the public, were "incredibly rare."

The driver has been suspended pending the outcome of the investigation.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 04:00 PM   #532
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A bit unnerving, but it's a very rare occasion.

There is a piece about the new Victoria line trains in ITV London Tonigh on at 6pm, ITV.

You can only see this if you live in Greater London though..
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Old June 15th, 2007, 05:48 PM   #533
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There is a piece about the new Victoria line trains in ITV London Tonigh on at 6pm, ITV.

You can only see this if you live in Greater London though..
If you have Sky Digital and are outside of London, ITV London should be available on Channel 993.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 08:12 PM   #534
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Just seen it... It says the infraco has to remove dead human hair and skin cells from inside the tunnels as they could clog up the new ventilation system... or something along those lines.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 08:18 PM   #535
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Crap, I've only just remembered to switch to channel 993. Will have to look for the video on their website.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 08:46 PM   #536
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Crap, I've only just remembered to switch to channel 993. Will have to look for the video on their website.
You haven't missed much really, just a short bit... Nothing more than the photos i've already posted.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 08:57 PM   #537
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More info on the above :

Tube train set off the wrong way down tunnel

LONDON, June 14 (Reuters) - A London tube driver took a train in the wrong direction through a tunnel and nearly ran head-on into another one on the same line, it was revealed on Thursday.

London Underground insisted that such incidents, while worrying to the public, were "incredibly rare."

The driver has been suspended pending the outcome of the investigation.
Having just had eleven people killed and dozens others injured by a truck crashing into the third vehicle of a train crossing a level crossing ... well that was "incredibly rare" too.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 09:18 PM   #538
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Old June 15th, 2007, 09:42 PM   #539
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3 years? I thought it was supposed to be 2 years? They're called the 2009 stock for a reason

And as we can see there is an even higher step up to the train from the platform...

Also, i'm English yet I can't actually understand what that cockney bloke says at one bit he says the seats are set back further, but then he says theres no "ca(something)" between the doors?

Thanks a lot by the way.
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Old June 16th, 2007, 12:01 AM   #540
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3 years? I thought it was supposed to be 2 years? They're called the 2009 stock for a reason
Yes. The first train will be delivered in 2009 but will not be in passenger service until 2010. The train you see in the video and another are 'pre-production' versions for testing.

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Also, i'm English yet I can't actually understand what that cockney bloke says at one bit he says the seats are set back further, but then he says theres no "ca(something)" between the doors?
There are no cabs in the middle of the train so there are more doors and the doors are wider. There will be shunting control panels in the two middle cars though.

Other information about the new trains:
  • The headroom has increased by 5cm
  • The gangway will be a metre wide.
  • The standing room has been increased so each train has higher capacity.
  • The tip-up seats providing wheelchair/buggy spaces are in the two end cars. Platform ramps are being considered to aid access.
  • Top speed will be 83kph, only a slight increase, the better speed comes from better breaking and acceleration.
  • 75% of the wheels will be powered compared to 50% now.
  • The signalling will be 'distance to go'
  • The full loading gauge (tunnel width) has been used. This means the trains will not be able to fit into the Piccadilly line tunnels as has previously been possible..

So far they have run the test train from Northumberland Park depot down to (iirc) Tottenham Hale. They've been testing the clearances with polystyrene blocks attached to the outside of the carriages. They haven't been up to Walthamstow though because of 'electromagetnic incompatibility issues'!

The other trains is being trialled with the Westinghouse signals on the Bombardier test track in Derby.

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