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Old June 16th, 2007, 12:42 AM   #541
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Yes. The first train will be delivered in 2009 but will not be in passenger service until 2010. The train you see in the video and another are 'pre-production' versions for testing.



There are no cabs in the middle of the train so there are more doors and the doors are wider. There will be shunting control panels in the two middle cars though.

Other information about the new trains:
  • The headroom has increased by 5cm
  • The gangway will be a metre wide.
  • The standing room has been increased so each train has higher capacity.
  • The tip-up seats providing wheelchair/buggy spaces are in the two end cars. Platform ramps are being considered to aid access.
  • Top speed will be 83mph, only a slight increase, the better speed comes from better breaking and acceleration.
  • 75% of the wheels will be powered compared to 50% now.
  • The signalling will be 'distance to go'
  • The full loading gauge (tunnel width) has been used. This means the trains will not be able to fit into the Piccadilly line tunnels as has previously been possible..

So far they have run the test train from Northumberland Park depot down to (iirc) Tottenham Hale. They've been testing the clearances with polystyrene blocks attached to the outside of the carriages. They haven't been up to Walthamstow though because of 'electromagetnic incompatibility issues'!

The other trains is being trialled with the Westinghouse signals on the Bombardier test track in Derby.
Thanks for that!

And I assume you mean 83kph not 83mph...

As far as i'm aware thats around 50mph isn't it?
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Old June 16th, 2007, 09:53 PM   #542
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Old June 16th, 2007, 11:31 PM   #543
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nice pics. i like these ones from curved platforms most. sometimes i put them as a desktop pic
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Old June 17th, 2007, 04:24 AM   #544
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Old June 17th, 2007, 11:54 PM   #545
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Fantastic collection! Thanks a lot, I love The Tube.
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Old June 18th, 2007, 02:35 AM   #546
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Yuck. Bond Street's tiling was just awful. Now it's been made real boring white, though it is true to the Central London Railway's original scheme.
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Old June 20th, 2007, 06:58 PM   #547
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Having just had eleven people killed and dozens others injured by a truck crashing into the third vehicle of a train crossing a level crossing ... well that was "incredibly rare" too.
Not really, there are many level crossing related incidents on the railways. The Tube doesn't have any level crossings.

Also, The Tube has a trainstop that makes sure it doesn't pass a signal at danger, but since this train was going in the wrong direction I don't think it worked. There have only been 3 cases of near collisions in 17 years, for 1 billion passengers a year that's very few. With ATO coming to more lines (already on the Victoria and Central, coming to the Northern and Jubilee) it'll be near impossible.
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Old June 20th, 2007, 11:13 PM   #548
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Not really, there are many level crossing related incidents on the railways. The Tube doesn't have any level crossings.

Also, The Tube has a trainstop that makes sure it doesn't pass a signal at danger, but since this train was going in the wrong direction I don't think it worked. There have only been 3 cases of near collisions in 17 years, for 1 billion passengers a year that's very few. With ATO coming to more lines (already on the Victoria and Central, coming to the Northern and Jubilee) it'll be near impossible.
Its the first time I've heard of the incident (am on holiday ), but it looks to me like the fatal error was when the two drivers swapped trains in the platform at Camden Town... One of them obviously became disoriented upon approaching their 'new' train and got the front and back mixed up... It sounds ridiculous, but initially easily done (unless you actually see the train enter a platform or habitually use that platform as a passenger, it isn't immediately apparent which end is which). However the driver should have immediately noticed the fact there wasn't a signal at the 'wrong' end to be obeyed and realised their error, but evidently didn't until they approached the train behind's headlights. If I was the poor driver behind who saw a set of headlights and a train approaching me I'd have likely crapped my pants!
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Old June 20th, 2007, 11:46 PM   #549
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Its the first time I've heard of the incident (am on holiday ), but it looks to me like the fatal error was when the two drivers swapped trains in the platform at Camden Town... One of them obviously became disoriented upon approaching their 'new' train and got the front and back mixed up... It sounds ridiculous, but initially easily done (unless you actually see the train enter a platform or habitually use that platform as a passenger, it isn't immediately apparent which end is which). However the driver should have immediately noticed the fact there wasn't a signal at the 'wrong' end to be obeyed and realised their error, but evidently didn't until they approached the train behind's headlights. If I was the poor driver behind who saw a set of headlights and a train approaching me I'd have likely crapped my pants!
It's a pretty ridiculous mistake to make really... Is there anything they can do to prevent such incidents from happening again?
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Why's it taking so damn long to introduce the new trains
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Old June 21st, 2007, 10:22 PM   #551
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It's a pretty ridiculous mistake to make really... Is there anything they can do to prevent such incidents from happening again?
In a similar vein there are fixed red lights at the 'wrong' end of quite a few platforms... These are normally located at stations where trains can reverse via an emergency crossover ahead of the platform. They were installed because drivers might be told 'Reverse North to South at station X' and then just change ends and proceed the wrong way out of the platform with dire consequences (at these locations they would in fact be supposed to detrain, work forward to beyond the crossover, then change ends and proceed back under a clear shunt signal).

The obvious answer therefore would be to have a permanent red light installed at the 'wrong' end of every platform from which trains are never supposed to reverse, but at the moment these 'fixed red lights' where they do exist do not have trainstops, so a train would still not be automatically stopped if it disregarded the light.
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 03:49 AM   #552
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Why's it taking so damn long to introduce the new trains
I was wondering that too!
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 07:48 PM   #553
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Why's it taking so damn long to introduce the new trains
Its normal to have such a long time between initial appearaence of the prototype and full introduction: the stock names give a good clue... D78 (i.e. 1978) didn't fully replace the R and COCP stocks until (IIRC) about 1983, likewise the Northern 1996 stock didn't fully displace the 1959 stock until 2000...The year always used to denote the prototype year (although oddly the Vic 2009 stock bucks this trend), by the time its been fully tested and refinements made we're looking at 18-24 months, and then a further 18 months - 2 years for full introduction (e.g. a train a week during this period).
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 11:02 PM   #554
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What are they actually doing to the train though... call me silly but I haven't a clue!
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Old June 24th, 2007, 12:39 PM   #555
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Its normal to have such a long time between initial appearaence of the prototype and full introduction: the stock names give a good clue... D78 (i.e. 1978) didn't fully replace the R and COCP stocks until (IIRC) about 1983, likewise the Northern 1996 stock didn't fully displace the 1959 stock until 2000...The year always used to denote the prototype year (although oddly the Vic 2009 stock bucks this trend), by the time its been fully tested and refinements made we're looking at 18-24 months, and then a further 18 months - 2 years for full introduction (e.g. a train a week during this period).

Ahh I see... but what do they do during this long period? I mean, it takes around 5 years for new planes to be designed and built and tested. The A380 took about 2 years to be built and tested and introduced. I don't really see how trains that already have their prototypes built could take that long to introduce?
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Why does it take so long? Partly because of heavy safety guidelines, partly because of beaurecracy/union issues.

In Melbourne it's the same.

I'm a strong lefty, but somtimes the unions can go too far.
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 03:12 AM   #557
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Video of the Victoria line opening in 1969 which I thought was rather interesting. It looks so clean! It looks like they haven't cleaned it since it opened now though!
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 07:07 AM   #558
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Ferrovial Could Replace Metronet As Tube Operator - Newspaper
1 July 2007

LONDON (Dow Jones)--Spanish infrastructure company Ferrovial could replace the Metronet consortium as operator of the London Underground transport system, the Independent on Sunday reports citing Ferrovial chairman Rafael del Pino.

Del Pino said Ferrovial has held talks with Transport for London about taking on Metronet projects, the newspaper says. However it cites a Transport for London spokesman as saying that no talks have taken place.

Ferrovial is part of the Tube Lines consortium which is a rival to Metronet and is responsible for three London Underground tube lines.

Metronet, which is owned by Balfour Beatty PLC (BBY.LN), WS Atkins PLC (ATK.LN), Canada's Bombardier Inc. (BBD.A.T), EDF Energy (1024251.FR) and Thames Water, has been hit by rising costs and is trying to claim back GBP1 billion of additional costs from Transport for London.

A spokesman for Transport for London said it had "not had any talks with Ferrovial or Tube Lines with regards to taking over Metronet's contract."

Ferrovial was not immediately available to comment.
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Old July 5th, 2007, 08:22 PM   #559
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Derailment at Mile End

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Tube maintenance firm Metronet has ordered immediate safety checks on storage facilities on the network after a train derailed during rush hour.

Metronet said initial reports suggested the derailment was caused by a loose "bale of material" inside the tunnel.
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How weird...
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