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Old April 1st, 2010, 12:32 PM   #961
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Anything that gives you the excuse to escape 'modern-day communication technology' is a good thing IMHO. :p
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Old April 1st, 2010, 01:33 PM   #962
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This only remains at 2 locations; Clapham Common and Clapham North.

Many of the original City & South London Railway's stations had this layout, but with time the number has dwindled through modernisation works (e.g. Angel) or reconfiguration due to new interchanges (e.g. Euston and Stockwell, with the Victoria Line).

One of the reasons why Angel was reconfigured was explicitly because the narrow island platform was becoming dangerously crowded.
How did they reconfigure the station? Build side platforms?

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Old April 1st, 2010, 10:27 PM   #963
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Does anyone know if the renovations at Marble Arch are finished yet, or when they will be? Several months ago they tore down most of the decorations and opened up some of the walls, and it was still in the same state when I was there around a month ago.
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Old April 1st, 2010, 10:58 PM   #964
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How did they reconfigure the station? Build side platforms?

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No - the tunnels are deep level bored tubes. They bored another tube adjacent and rerouted trains in one direction into the new tunnel and patform. The existing island was converted to a single line with an extra large side platform.

Angle Station original island platform in a single tunnel


Angel Station original station tunnel converted to single direction with one large platofrm - the other platform and line are in a new adjacent tube tunnel


The new station also had escalators installed to replace the lifts. Angel is a very deep station and has the longest escalators on the London Underground. As a result, the surface entrance was moved a couple of block to accommodate the angle and depth the escalators had to travel.

THe Long Escalators at Angel Station (source: dailylondonphoto)


Diagram of the reconstruction showing the new entrance and escalators and the old lifts and the old entrance.


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Old April 2nd, 2010, 11:09 AM   #965
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There has been some statements on the board claiming that London Underground have no mobile coverage? Is it true?
Correct... No coverage other than what leaks in from above ground

The technology is already in situ to allow mobile coverage across LU, as the 'Connect' secure radio system uses Motorola mobile technology, but a decision was made not to allow general mobile phone use underground... I welcome this; it would be a huge nuisance 99% of the time. Imagine 10 simultaneous conversations taking place in your carriage, each person trying to shout above the background noise level. I also think that perhaps the antennae for 'Connect' would become overloaded in an emergency situation with passengers all trying to make calls, blocking the network from usage by emergency services and LU staff (the system is completely compatible with that used by the police and fire and ambulance services, allowing their radios to work underground).

I would welcome allowing text messaging though... That would be much more civilised (provided the phone alerts were on vibrate).
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 11:37 AM   #966
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No - the tunnels are deep level bored tubes. They bored another tube adjacent and rerouted trains in one direction into the new tunnel and patform. The existing island was converted to a single line with an extra large side platform.
thanks very much for the information.

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Old April 2nd, 2010, 12:33 PM   #967
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Imagine 10 simultaneous conversations taking place in your carriage, each person trying to shout above the background noise level.
That's a big stereotype one. Modern phones have good mics and speakers. Also noise inside the cars isn't that high. Of course it would be a problem for some phones to process your voice when the train is moving near you. But it's not a problem for most of modern, especially high-end phones.


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I would welcome allowing text messaging though... That would be much more civilised (provided the phone alerts were on vibrate).
What's more - the Internet. An ability to chat with friends by WLM, ICQ, Skype etc, surfing sites and even watching TV.
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 01:23 PM   #968
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I welcome this; it would be a huge nuisance 99% of the time. Imagine 10 simultaneous conversations taking place in your carriage, each person trying to shout above the background noise level.
I disagree. We've had this in Bucharest metro for a few years now and I can tell you that 99% of the time it isn't an issue. You occasionally have the idiot loud talker, but other than that it's ok, the signal is decent with a few points in the tunnel, in-between stations and I welcome this.

Note that I'm extremely pissed when people don't seem to be able to operate a phone and shout like mad, I'm not that fond of the average metro user here and I rarely actually talk on the phone while in the metro, but I do text.

Just wanted to point out that this thing with 10 people speaking over each other is a myth, like coth also pointed out.
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On the whole phone thing, although I can understand why people would be concerned with the talking(although I also have agree with coth and Cosmin that most of the fear of mobile phones is plain technophobia), I see no reason why things like texting or data connections shouldn't be allowed, other than bandwidth. Modern smartphones are more like general communication devices than plain phones, and being completely cut off from the outside world whenever you board the train is becoming rather silly.
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 08:20 PM   #971
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Correct... No coverage other than what leaks in from above ground

The technology is already in situ to allow mobile coverage across LU, as the 'Connect' secure radio system uses Motorola mobile technology, but a decision was made not to allow general mobile phone use underground... I welcome this; it would be a huge nuisance 99% of the time. Imagine 10 simultaneous conversations taking place in your carriage, each person trying to shout above the background noise level. I also think that perhaps the antennae for 'Connect' would become overloaded in an emergency situation with passengers all trying to make calls, blocking the network from usage by emergency services and LU staff (the system is completely compatible with that used by the police and fire and ambulance services, allowing their radios to work underground).

I would welcome allowing text messaging though... That would be much more civilised (provided the phone alerts were on vibrate).
Strange... I often travel with National Rail (SW Trains) during the morning peak hours and have never witnessed such a 'problem'. Even if there is an occasional call, the carriages are usually free from mobile conversations. On the other hand, many people are texting, emailing or browsing internet (just as myself). I try to avoid communing with LU wherever possible because I cannot use my bloody email and browse the very same SSC. Now what surprises me (or even shocks I would say) that some people actually advocate that. I just don't understand how can one advocate something that is fundamentally wrong and backward.
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 08:28 PM   #972
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What's more - the Internet. An ability to chat with friends by WLM, ICQ, Skype etc, surfing sites and even watching TV.
I remember using my then fresh new Nokia N95 in Hong Kong MTR back in 2007. HSDPA coverage (a new thing back then) was perfect and many people were extremely busy texting or browsing net (including myself... I didn't have to pay roaming charges with my UK provider). It most certainly is not a problem there and I don't see why it should be a problem in LU or anywhere else for that matter. I guess it's simply an inability/unwillingness to catch up with times and therefore some naive excuses are put in place.
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 09:15 PM   #973
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Hehe, I count being able to sit back and relax without worrying about e-mails or calls a blessing...
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 09:54 PM   #974
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Hehe, I count being able to sit back and relax without worrying about e-mails or calls a blessing...
On/Off button on your mobile can do just the same anywhere at any time.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 12:18 AM   #975
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That's a big stereotype one. Modern phones have good mics and speakers. Also noise inside the cars isn't that high. Of course it would be a problem for some phones to process your voice when the train is moving near you. But it's not a problem for most of modern, especially high-end phones.
Some LU lines are spectacularly noisy though... The background noise on sections of the Victoria, Bakerloo and Central lines (amongst others) is deafening... I just imagine people trying to shout over the top of that...
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 02:35 AM   #976
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Victoria isn't as noisy as it used to be cause of track replacements, however even with the new trains some sections are still really loud. Central line is mostly quiet except maybe Liverpool Street - Stratford. Bakerloo is only bad where there are curves, like most other lines. I actually find the new section of the Jubilee to be pretty noisy in places, surprisingly.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 03:58 AM   #977
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In some parts of Piccadilly line, there was some noise, but was from the curves to Covent Garden
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Over here it isn't the conversations that drive you nuts, but instead idiots blasting music off their phones. Especially since they play dance or techno tracks. Not even jamming mobile coverage can stop that. Annoying idiots... Personally, I don't like talking on the phone when on the train, underground mostly. Having mobile coverage though, can be useful in an emergency. Its been known that people have managed to help rescue crews find them through communication by mobile phones.
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Piccadilly Circus is one of the ugliest stations in Central London. Except the ticket hall.
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