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Old February 9th, 2005, 05:22 AM   #101
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Old February 9th, 2005, 07:26 AM   #102
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How many miles of track does the London Tube has? Anyone see that Discovery Channel show about that fire in one of their stations a few years back?
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Old February 9th, 2005, 06:27 PM   #103
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Old February 9th, 2005, 06:59 PM   #104
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The Moulded Plastic Seats of the New York Subway


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Old February 9th, 2005, 07:24 PM   #105
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London is so charming, the stations are so historic, the trains very modern and the names are so fancy! Jubilee Line, Picadilly, it all sounds so nice.
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Old February 9th, 2005, 11:01 PM   #106
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but don't u think it' is a bad idea to give so long names for the subway lines. it is soooo confusing in LU to move inside the system. the indications on the panels are not easy to 'handle'. it'll be better to give the numbers to the lines, as it 's usually in the whole world.
take a look at this example
LONDON
which line do i have to take, which way do i have to go? Hammersmith and city , Metropolitan snd Circle, Victoria, or Piccadilly line? u have to know all the names if u don't want to lose yourself


MADRID
here i don't have to know the name of the line. that's true its name is Metrosur, but it have the number too, so i don't care about the name. i know, i have to take the 12 and go in this or that direction 4 station or somethink like that.



or here: i take the 5 or the 10 (no names, no confusions, no lost persons)



or at the platform of one of the interchange stations:



PARIS
here the panel of the line M1

and you always know where to get off to change for other line (with a number!) you don't have to notice the name, the number is all you need. soooo easy is it.
do you want to take the 1 or 2? on your right on that pic you can see where to go. simple
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Old February 12th, 2005, 12:49 AM   #107
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ZielonaGora - Yes, they could look confusing cause they aren't simple letters or numbers. But then again why should they be letters and numbers? These are the first underground lines on the planet - why should London conform to such principles that other networks use? Also is there any benefit to have simple lettered or numbered lines? For instance - the naming of the lines on most occasions allows people to move around on a geographical perspective without looking at actual road maps and the like. The worlds first underground line, the Metropolitan line is where we got the word: Metro from!


Bakerloo Line - Goes through Baker Street a major underground station and acts as a sort of "hub".
Central Line - Goes through the centre of London - can't get more simple than that can you? Goes right down the worlds longest shopping street: Oxford St and then through the world's largest financial centre: the City of London and will if London gets the 2012 Olympics, be next door also.
Circle Line - Literally what it means: a circle line that goes in a circle around Central London.
District Line - The District Line serves the far reaches of London's outer boroughs or "districts".
East London Line - Serves East London, nothing complicated there!
Hammersmith & City Line - Starts in Hammersmith in West London and terminates in the Square Mile/City of London in Central London....
Jubilee Line - The only line that doesn't actually have a geographical reference, but an actual historical reference (the Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II), but its known the world over for its extension which encompasses some of the world's grandest modern underground stations.
Metropolitan Line - This was the world's first metro underground line and does what it does - serves stations with an underground section at high frequencies at seperate grading.
Northern Line - North, south, west, east........The Northern line has the vast majority of its network reaching out into London's northern suburbs.
Piccadilly Line - Heard of Piccadilly Circus - well guess what! Piccadily Circus is at the hub of the network.
Victoria Line - A fast line that travels through and too London Victoria mainline rail terminus.
Waterloo & City - Travels non-stop from London Waterloo mainline rail terminus to the Square Mile/City of London.


As you can see - its not like its complicated, and your less likely to get confused over say Ligne 1 and Ligne 11 on the Paris Metro than on say the Metropolitan and Piccadilly lines. Simple distinctions that have meant that the network continues to flows like an evolutionary liquid since 1863 (142 years ago!). I wouldn't swap the names for "simple" letters and numbers - you loose the identity of the line and any iconic identity. No other transportation system has this and its a value which makes London more iconic and unique.
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Old February 21st, 2005, 07:26 AM   #108
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Old February 21st, 2005, 10:56 AM   #109
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@ spsmiler, what an amazing contrabution to this thread. Thanks for your excellent photographs and summarys! I hope you hang around this forum for a while to continue posting such brilliant details about London railways!

just one question, did I understand right that in Kew Gardens station the North London line trains arrive at the same platform of the tube trains?
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Old March 6th, 2005, 08:49 PM   #110
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I think that London and NY's subways are quite similar.
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Old March 6th, 2005, 09:18 PM   #111
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yeaah for sure...
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Old March 7th, 2005, 12:03 AM   #112
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Old March 7th, 2005, 09:13 AM   #113
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i think there's more similarity with HK's MTR than New York's. Those platform screen doors are just like the one's in HK. I believe the rolling stock from both systems are built by the same company, i think?
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Old March 7th, 2005, 09:23 AM   #114
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The Island Line in HK is clearly modelled after the classic London tube.
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Old March 7th, 2005, 01:47 PM   #115
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Quote:
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@ spsmiler, what an amazing contrabution to this thread. Thanks for your excellent photographs and summarys! I hope you hang around this forum for a while to continue posting such brilliant details about London railways!

just one question, did I understand right that in Kew Gardens station the North London line trains arrive at the same platform of the tube trains?
I'll field that one...

Yes they do, as they also do at Gunnersbury and the entire Bakerloo Line between Queen's Park and Harrow & Wealdstone... these sections are owned by Network Rail and London Underground merely has running powers over them, with Silverlink Metro also operating services. Its not a major issue on the District Line Richmond Branch as the Underground Trains are "Surface" Stock (D78) so the platform heights are ok for both the Underground and "Overground" trains, but on the Bakerloo Line there are "Overground" trains and tiny Tube trains stopping at the same platforms.

Incidentally, although now owned by LUL the District Line between East Putney and Wimbledon is still used by Mainline SWT stock moves on a daily basis, and occasionally for passenger services during Engineering Works.

Kew Gardens... same size... No problem!



Northern end of Bakerloo Line... big size difference!

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Old March 7th, 2005, 01:59 PM   #116
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Old March 7th, 2005, 03:57 PM   #117
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Two pictures I took of the descending travelator at Bank station going down to the Waterloo & City line platforms:






One of the most colourful travelators for sure
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Old March 7th, 2005, 07:27 PM   #118
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it's wonderful!!! are there more such thinks in LON???
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Old March 8th, 2005, 02:45 AM   #119
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@ spsmiler, what an amazing contrabution to this thread. Thanks for your excellent photographs and summarys! I hope you hang around this forum for a while to continue posting such brilliant details about London railways!

just one question, did I understand right that in Kew Gardens station the North London line trains arrive at the same platform of the tube trains?

sorry for the delay, I've been away.

anyway, thanks to tubeman you now have the answer!

btw, betwen Rayners Lane and Uxbridge the small profile Piccadily Line trains and large profile Metropolitan line trains also share tracks and station platforms.

The tubetrains are lower than the platform and the larger traisn are higher than the platform.

It makes disabled access very difficult - and wheelchair access almost impossible (without a strong person to help).

Another issue is that the tube trains are narrower, so there is a wider gap between the train and the platform. This also applies on the Central line between Leyton and Epping because although Underground trains started using that route in the late 1940's the last mainline trains stopped travelling here in 1971.

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I want to visit london really bad now

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