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Old August 8th, 2010, 10:05 PM   #1281
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It is archaic, 50 years old. I take my hat off to the guys that built them and most importantly the guys that keep them running every day.
It's indeed astonishing how they managed to keep these trains running for so long. They must be rock solid quality as they were built 'back then'.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 10:57 PM   #1282
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It's indeed astonishing how they managed to keep these trains running for so long. They must be rock solid quality as they were built 'back then'.
Yeah they where. They have been real refurbished. I see the HSTs running until their 50 aswell!
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Old August 9th, 2010, 10:48 PM   #1283
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It's indeed astonishing how they managed to keep these trains running for so long. They must be rock solid quality as they were built 'back then'.
Provided the bodies and bogies are soundly manufactured, you can keep on replacing smaller parts indefinitely (or at least as long as you can still source them). Don't forget the LU 1938 Stock is still operating on the Isle of Wight, 72 years old!

The generation of trains that the A60 stock belongs to are very simple: all air pipes, simple circuits and chunky fuses. A lot of train equipment was able to be cannibalised when the very similar (mechanically) 1959 & 1962 stocks were withdrawn in the 1990's so there's plenty of spares still.

I'll mourn the passing of the A60, as they're the last of the 2-handed trains (separate 'master control' and brake handle), and the cabs are very similar to the 1959 stock trains I started off driving on the Northern Line (although far bigger of course!), so I find them quite evocative. The end of an era

The one thing I won't miss is the horrific creaking and banging from the 'metalastic' suspension... The 1959 stock trains were equally bad in this regard. The suspension between the bogies and car bodies is made up of alternating layers of rubber and steel which can make some quite alarming noises as the car bodies rock from side to side, which when I was a Guard would result in accusing and sometimes frightened looks from passengers...
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The older trains are definitely too noisy, sometimes noises that would get one thinking if there was anything wrong.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 06:36 AM   #1285
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The A Stock is surprisingly quiet from the outside, more so than most modern stocks.
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Old August 10th, 2010, 02:20 PM   #1286
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The A Stock is surprisingly quiet from the outside, more so than most modern stocks.
Have you noticed the 'gearchange' noise that is so familiar with the GTO traction system has made bit of a return on the new Victoria line trains IBGT system, admittedly it is only 1 change of tone, nothing like the jubilee line's singing.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 01:16 AM   #1287
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Old August 11th, 2010, 10:36 AM   #1288
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Many thanks for that video.

When I was a boy we lived in Ruislip and I went to school in Harrow, so the A-Stock - and the 1956/1959 Piccadilly trains - were part of my 'upbringing'. I also have some recollection of when the A-stock was first introduced replacing the older red trains (P-stock?).

They were great trains and, as has already been said above, they've done well for the past 50 years.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 10:54 AM   #1289
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Have you noticed the 'gearchange' noise that is so familiar with the GTO traction system has made bit of a return on the new Victoria line trains IBGT system, admittedly it is only 1 change of tone, nothing like the jubilee line's singing.
My favourite is the Hitachi re-tractioned Networkers, even better than before. Its such a mad sound I love it.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 09:54 PM   #1290
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The A Stock is surprisingly quiet from the outside, more so than most modern stocks.
They're much quieter braking because they're the last stock to have pure friction brakes, every other stock has some form of Rheostatic or similar brake which is what makes the moaning noise.
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Old August 14th, 2010, 04:11 PM   #1291
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Many thanks for that video.
You're welcome. And from watching it I definitely don't think the front side of the trains is ugly at all. But not that it matters much...
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I'm not that impressed with the 2009 TS. They are nice and have good acceleration but just as hot as the old trains, even tho they are meant to be cooler and, the roof seems to slope in more at the sides...the windows seem quite small aswell...

not been on the S stock yet!
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Old August 15th, 2010, 04:48 PM   #1293
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I'm not that impressed with the 2009 TS. They are nice and have good acceleration but just as hot as the old trains, even tho they are meant to be cooler and, the roof seems to slope in more at the sides...the windows seem quite small aswell...

not been on the S stock yet!
They are only supposed to be breezier not cooler.
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Old August 17th, 2010, 04:12 PM   #1294
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They are only supposed to be breezier not cooler.
No different from the old trains then, I never thought that they suffered from stagnant air when moving
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Old August 19th, 2010, 04:23 PM   #1295
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One thing I like about the S-stock is that its interior looks so inviting.

An additional question: when is the first three-car DLR going to start running?
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An additional question: when is the first three-car DLR going to start running?
I think they are already running, at least from this picture taken in March.


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They're only running on the Bank - Lewisham route. I believe they plan to utilise them on the Stratford - Lewisham route too.
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